yeah,sorta like that,nice patina,Anyone out there have or used cycle X's 4-1 header?Curious,because I didnt order my Carpy pipe yet and noticed he raised the price,AND,took the whole Yosh replica off the website,now its old school 4-1 header or something like that.So,cycle x is cheaper and if they are both comperable,I really dont see the difference.I'm cheap.But I did just total my cherokee and am getting a nice insurance check for a new vehicle.Should I splurge and buy a benjies 4-4???Tempting,very tempting.Hmmmmm.