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Re: Project 13 1975 CB400F
« Reply #75 on: March 15, 2010, 09:26:07 PM »
Well this one has been in place since the 80s and it seems to be doing OK there. It never got hot during rides and the back side for sure doesnt as the heat sink is on the front.
I am going to take my chances... (famous last words).
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« Reply #76 on: March 16, 2010, 10:22:40 PM »
Didn't have much time in the garage tonight. Seems the more time I need the less of it there is to use.

I had to get the 400 off the life to give it a quick bath. I need to do the exhaust next so I had to scrub a few hard to reach places before the exhaust gets back in place.

So off the lift and over to the drain...

It was not that dirty as I had already been getting at different areas during the build. This was to make sure the front and bottom of the engine were ready to be covered up...I know makes no sense, but I only want to do this once.

I also made a little bracket to hold the tach cable thingy back where it belonged. This bike's thingy was in the box so a little bending and grinding and here it is almost looks stock.



This may get a little repetive clean rinse repeat...









Serial number incase any of you want to know...lol. Not sure how many were made first year. Anyone have a number? This was an Oct. 74 build which is how 400Fs predate 750Fs as the first bike mfgd with a 4 into one.


Almost there.



So little more cleaning and then its time to remount the exhaust. Getting very close. Sad thing is I have to drain the tank and remove the battery for the show as it is indoors. Probably for the best as I shouldn't really ride it until after the Donny Smith show and the VJMC show in May... After that its bug splat city!






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Re: Project 13 1975 CB400F
« Reply #77 on: March 17, 2010, 05:29:26 AM »
Dang, that motor is squeaky clean...

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Re: Project 13 1975 CB400F
« Reply #78 on: March 17, 2010, 05:47:29 AM »
Thanks Scott.
I cant wait to get bug goo and road grime on it!
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« Reply #79 on: March 17, 2010, 10:14:18 PM »
Wow one of those great nights when everything you do works out OK!

It is funny how a project can turn into an obsession. You start one thing and it snow balls on you when you are sleeping or working the "real" job. You make lists in your head, what you want to do, what you have to do.
I had no intentions on showing this bike before our local VJMC show in May. Now with the deadline for the Chopper show looming I caught a second wind. Everything seems to be on track. Tonight was the foot pegs, yes this is true obsession stuff. I really did spend almost 2 hours making sure the foot pegs and controls all looked right... OMG. I need a life.

But with the controls all figured out it was on to the EXHAUST!!!! The exhaust was liberated from the bike early on and put up in the attic. Tonight I brought it back down a did a complete clean and polish. I acid washed the collars and the pipes it really is amazing how nice chrome turns out with a little elbow grease and time.

SO with all the bits clean I started twisting and (swearing) and holding with one hand while threading with the other the original exhaust back on. TIP OF THE DAY, have a friend help you reinstall the exhaust...

So as the pics will show the stock exhaust is in place. I know I had hinted at using my Yoshima pipe on this project but the stock pipes just too damn good looking. The Yosh is for a future project now.

Lots of semi crappy pics. Sorry but the new camera is still a few weeks out.

Foot pegs after too much time spent on them...geeez what was I thinking.




Then the exhaust.

Tray of bling ready to go.


Waiting in the attic...




Other stuff waiting too.


Other projects waiting for 13 to get off the lift.


Ready to rumble.
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In place but not secure. Take my advice do not do this alone. Lucky I like to swear!



I have always loved these pipes.


They look better than they sound. WAY too QUIET. But sometimes it is nice to hear the little sewing machine sounds of a well tuned CB400F.


More chrome.



The belly of the (little) Beast.



The pipes are almost as rewarding to install as the tank and side panels. Really starts bringing the bike together.

Next I need to fill and bleed the calipers. Diddle the handle bar controls a bit. and give her a good coat of wax... Not much longer now.

















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Re: Project 13 1975 CB400F
« Reply #80 on: March 18, 2010, 09:00:19 PM »
WOO Hoooo!!!

Sorry nothing new to post but I had to celebrate 2000 views of this thread!

400F owners must be a silent minority.

Thanks for lurking around my obsession.



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Re: Project 13 1975 CB400F
« Reply #81 on: March 19, 2010, 02:18:05 AM »
You are forgiven, I'd be pretty happy too if I got to mount a set of those.  So pretty.  I'd get one of those just to have a chance to polish the pipes.
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« Reply #82 on: March 20, 2010, 09:38:37 PM »
I have to agree, the 400 pipes are fantastic.
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« Reply #83 on: March 20, 2010, 10:47:05 PM »
OK, I am not sure why but the S/O sugested I spend the better part of Saturday in the shop... Well being a man, I in NO WAY what so ever gave it a second thought. I drank some coffee and ran my ass across the yard and got to work. First on the list was relocating the P/Os headlight on off switch. Since I removed the fairing it had no real place to live. I made a bracket that attached to the bar mounts but it looked cheap and obvious. I had to find something better. So while I was working on the rest of the front end I made a bracket that mounted the switch from the under side of the tripple to the space where the clutch cable and wires are routed. It works perfectly! It is hard to see but very easy to reach. Most people would never know it is there. Next it was on to a front master rebuild and left/right control detailing and lube.

Sooo...

First pic. is of the switch all nice and hidden.


Next I disassembled the clutch controls lubed everything and put it all back together.


Taking the master apart is always the muther &%#)#@! hardest part. I have a modified set of pliers that I use to remove the snap ring. Once the ring is out it is easy. There are plenty of posts on the rebuild process so I wont bore you all the details. But I will share a few tips.

All apart and clean.


I learned the hard way that aftermarket master kits suck. I think it was Hondaman that preaches the re-use of your Honda bits. I have to whole heartedly agree. They are usually just crusty and can be cleaned and reused. I don't use the snap ring tool to re-install the snap ring. I use an appropriate deep well socket and just press the ring into place WAY less effort.
Just make sure to get every thing CLEAN!!! The most important part is to make sure the smaller of the two holes in the cup of the master is OPEN. You will pull your hair out trying to bleed and then ride if this hole is plugged. If, when you get it all back together you go for a ride and the caliper wont release (and you already lubed the caliper pivot and cleaned the piston oring) then it is this hole that is causing your problems. If it is blocked pressure cannot be properly released and the brake will continue to apply itself causing squeeling, overheating and eventual wheel lock up... Don't say I didn't warn you.

In this pic. you will notice a little piece of tubing. When these masters were new there was a little piece of rubber tubing in the "hole" under the silver cover. It works as a damper for the brake lever. I use a piece of BMW 6mm silicone vacuum hose. It fits perfectly and the damping is noticable. NOW you know, so there is NO excuse for not replacing it.


If you look closely you can see where it goes. Here it is ready to shove into place.


Crammed home and covered up.


So the master is assembled and ready to mount. Bleeding is always fun right? If you do it right it goes quickly.


By this point you are pretty familiar with the master. As I start the bleeding process I use a tube from a can of brake cleaner to help prod bubbles from the larger hole. Just tap the brake lever do not pump yet. As you tap it you will notice bubbles comming from both holes. Keep at it. Everynow and then poke the tube into the larger hole to help release the bubbles. When no more bubbles come out of the larger hole and the smaller hole is less active place the tube on top of the smaller hole. This acts to deflect the fluid that comes back into the master. You really want to do this or the master will "spit" brake fluid out and mostly likely it wall land some where you don't want to see it...


Now its time to start pumping I use the slow and easy way, it works for me. Some people like to pump the #$%* out of it...to each his own. When the lever is out at its stop start to pull it in then open the nipple. Bring it back to the hand grip, hold and close the nipple. do this until you build a nice solid lever.


This is as far as my lever goes when properly bled. Remember this system has been completely cleaned. The caliper and the master has been rebuilt and the caliper swingarm has been lubed and moves freely. This bike will stop on a dime. I have never had a problem with any of my brakes and on a 400 I see no need for a dual front disc set up if the single system is working properly. I can use two fingers on a set up like this and watch the fork bend. Plenty of stopping power for me.


I am soooo close to buttoning all this up. I cannot wait to get it all done. Next time out I will bleed the rear disc and mount the tank and side covers.

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Re: Project 13 1975 CB400F
« Reply #84 on: March 20, 2010, 11:01:43 PM »
Very nice bike, Sir.

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« Reply #85 on: March 20, 2010, 11:13:31 PM »
I appreciate the comment! I have to say I have followed your posts too. Keep up the good work.
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« Reply #86 on: March 21, 2010, 07:40:08 AM »
Sometimes we like to think of these projects as just our creative motorhead outlet. But often there is a cast of supporting crew members. Part of the reason this project even got going this winter is my Mom and Dad gifted me a new compressor for Christmas! I am not sure how I functioned all these years with out one. And the air lift is a total back saver! My good friends encourage me (and poke me in the ribs) but it is really a motivator to see them excited for me. I know I talk about motorcycles WAY too much.

Last but not least you have to thank the one who really helps make it happen. My girlfriend Susan, like many other women, has a plan she would rather see me work on. Yes I have spent a LOT of time on this project. But sometimes I think she actually enjoys seeing the project near its completion. (If nothing else it means I can get started on HER list). So thanks to one and all but especially you Susan.
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« Reply #87 on: March 21, 2010, 09:04:49 AM »
Tell Susan you need another bike after this to work on.

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Re: Project 13 1975 CB400F
« Reply #88 on: March 21, 2010, 10:23:40 AM »
Well, I have to get a few house things done first but there is another 400F, 2 CB750Ks a GL1000, CB350 twin and a DOHC 450. There are also a few more mods I want to do to my ZX12R...

Lawn house bike lawn house bike lawn house bike... Oh and work!
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« Reply #89 on: March 21, 2010, 12:51:28 PM »
Wow the paint on the tank and side covers look great. That brake job is awesome.. I will have to try the straw trick. I usually just leave the bleeder screw and he top off the MC over night and let gravity do the work, it usually works well however I bet its not completely bleed doing it that way. Thanks for the tips..

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« Reply #90 on: March 21, 2010, 02:47:36 PM »
Hey Scott you any where near Minneapolis? We have a great VJMC show in May you might want to check out and our First Thursday bike night is second to NONE.

The paint on the tank and sde covers is original and nearly mint except for a couple of chips on the right front. It may not be perfect but patina wins over new in my book anyday.

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« Reply #91 on: March 21, 2010, 03:04:50 PM »
  Speaking of patina, that m/c looks pretty original and fresh.
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« Reply #92 on: March 21, 2010, 03:18:50 PM »
I don't know how it happened but I got another day in the garage!

Today I had planned on geting all the mechanical items done. I was pretty sure I only had to bleed the rear caliper set up and I would be on my way.
Nope.
The rear master would not cooperate with me at all. So I ripped it out and planned to go through it. Amazingly, the Italians do things differently. I was trying to disassemble the master like one from HONDA, that I can assure you does NOT work. There is no snap ring!!! All you have to do is unbolt the brake lever for front masters or the control arm for rear masters. Then you take a long thin punch and tap from the front where the brake hose attaches. The whole unit is held in with a ring that is pressed in. A couple of taps and the whole piston assembly pops right out. Very simple if you have directions which I did not. So I put everything down ran back into the house to do a little surfing and coffee drinking. I found a quick tutorial on Brembo masters that was very helpful.

I know this information is pretty useless for most everyone on this forum but just in case I included a few pics.
Ready to be tapped out.


Tapped out and ready for some maintenance.


Pretty simple once its apart and NO SNAP RING!!!! Thanks GOD for that!


It went back together better than it came apart. The arm has two locations to atach the brake rod changing the leverage pretty cool. There is also an eccentric adjusting bolt to help set the brake pedal travel.

Once the master was mounted and bled I had everything checked off the list. No more mechanical stuff to do to the bike!?!?! Wierd. So I rolled it out into the quickly fading sun and took a few pics. I didn't get to the tank and side covers yet but tomorrow if its nice there will be more pics of a pretty much completed project 13.

















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« Reply #93 on: March 21, 2010, 03:21:48 PM »
HEY no laughing at the van in the background it is only for moving stuff! Lol.
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« Reply #94 on: March 22, 2010, 12:09:21 AM »
huhuh hey Beavis...your mom drives an Aerostar...huhhuhhuhhuhhuhhuhhuhhuhhuh :D
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Re: Project 13 1975 CB400F
« Reply #95 on: March 22, 2010, 04:21:53 AM »
Hi,

Almost finished I see, looking nice.
Yes I have the dual disk set-up lower front fork, I bought it here from a local market.
I have two fronts, one original (single disk, standard wheels), and I have a complete dual disk fork with non standard wheels.
The date on the tag is 12-1974, the paperwork says 2-1975 (this is tha date of sale), the tag is written in German, (but it's a Dutch machine) import of Honda came through Germany.

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« Reply #96 on: March 22, 2010, 05:53:46 AM »
She is looking great! Very clean and sharp. Can't wait to see the final product!!

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« Reply #97 on: March 22, 2010, 05:03:47 PM »
It is actually happening! Project 13 is nearing completion. This afternoon I bolted home from work straight to the shop... "13" finally has some bodywork.

It will still get a final detail just before the show on Friday. I really need that new camera this one is just not doing the bike justice.

All the bits are in place except for the mirror, I just cannot decide what kind of mirror I want on the bike.

So for your viewing pleasure...

I was actually nervous when I carried the tank down from the attic.

















I cannot wait to take it out on its re-maiden voyage. The hard part is waiting until MAY 22!

I will post a few more as we take it to the show and see what we are up against. It will be probably be dwarfed by all the big inch iron that will be there.
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Re: Project 13 CB400F Now with more tasty bits!
« Reply #98 on: March 23, 2010, 07:10:01 PM »
I can't imagine you wont walk away with some thing. That bike is just gorgeous.. I am not sure how you can wait that long I would not be able to.

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« Reply #99 on: March 23, 2010, 08:29:55 PM »
Dude, it is KILLING ME!

Chopper show is this Friday. I may have to ride it afterwards and just re-clean it for may... Not like I have anything better to do!  ;)


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