Author Topic: Primary Chains  (Read 1641 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline mick7504

  • Old Timer
  • ******
  • Posts: 3,740
Primary Chains
« on: October 28, 2009, 08:04:59 PM »
Is there any advantage or disadvantage by staggering/offsetting the primary chain links?
I've always run the links in sequence with each other without any known issues (except the characteristic noise) and saw on Axl's site he mentions to offset them by 1 tooth.
Got the curiosity going now.




If I was you
I'd be worried about me.

Offline KRONUS0100

  • MAD MATT THE MANIAC
  • Expert
  • ****
  • Posts: 1,216
Re: Primary Chains
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2009, 01:03:48 PM »
my best educated guess from working with machinery chains is that it distributes the loads more evenly and helps reduce the chance of breakage
MATT
current bikes:  1976 CB750F, 1981 GS1100E
bikes owned:1981 GL1100I, 1990 GS500E, 1981 GS850, 1977 and 1979 GS750, 1974 CB750, 1975 CB750, and a 1982 GS750E

Offline wannabridin

  • Patience made me a
  • Master
  • *****
  • Posts: 2,237
  • -Garrett
    • 1976 CB750K, under construction:
Re: Primary Chains
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2009, 01:11:35 PM »
my best educated guess from working with machinery chains is that it distributes the loads more evenly and helps reduce the chance of breakage

i would guess the same.  in case one chain somehow develops a crack or spot for failure, then the other chain could ideally carry the load a little longer.  just my educated guess as well
1976 CB750K, currently under construction:
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=64468.0

-And if you don't do it this year, you'll be one year older when you do...

Offline MCRider

  • Such is the life of a
  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 14,376
  • Today's Lesson: One good turn deserves another.
Re: Primary Chains
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2009, 01:14:33 PM »
I can't remember, is the stock set up link to link? I think so.

Can't see where it would matter, but my opinion is less than educated.   ;D

Would like to hear more as i am near that point with my project.
Ride Safe:
Ron
1988 NT650 HawkGT;  1978 CB400 Hawk;  1975 CB750F -Free Bird; 1968 CB77 Super Hawk -Ticker;  Phaedrus 1972 CB750K2- Build Thread
"Sometimes the light's all shining on me, other times I can barely see, lately it appears to me, what a long, strange trip its been."

Offline kos

  • Hot Shot
  • ***
  • Posts: 718
    • m3racing.com
Re: Primary Chains
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2009, 02:19:13 PM »
I will guarantee you this. If one chain breaks the other is gone... only milliseconds after the first.   They go when the pair of chains tries to jump the sprockets on deceleration. NOT ON acceleration.   If you every break a set of chains look at the sprocket teeth on the crank and the clutch hub drive sprocket. I bet you find very SHARP teeth on either or both.

Also, they always come out the top.


KOS


Speaking of over 6-7 chain failures experienced.
220...221, whatever it takes.

Offline fishhead

  • Hot Shot
  • ***
  • Posts: 598
  • Why don't you go.....Well, you know the rest.....
Re: Primary Chains
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2009, 02:26:01 PM »
my opinion is less than educated.   ;D

 Me too.  ;D

 I would imagine that with the chains both lined up, the "force" would be transmitted through the heavier inner plates of the chains and then the lighter outer links of both of the chains. Having the lighter links lined up "may" put a weak spot in the chain.
 With the chains staggered, the strength of the chain would be more equal with 1 chain being on the lighter outer links when the other chain is on the heavier inner links and on and on.
 I'm not a scientist, but it makes sense to me.
Quote from:  Vanna White




Photobucket slide show (Fishhead Big Brakes)
http://s111.photobucket.com/albums/n130/dgfischer/Fishhead%20Big%20BRakes/?albumview=slideshow

Offline mick7504

  • Old Timer
  • ******
  • Posts: 3,740
Re: Primary Chains
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2009, 04:35:49 PM »
I can't remember, is the stock set up link to link? I think so.

Can't see where it would matter, but my opinion is less than educated.   ;D

Would like to hear more as i am near that point with my project.
Ron
I am certain that they are always setup link to link as the stock configuration and that is how I have always done it without thinking twice about it. (Old dogs, old habits!!)
I had a look through some old photos and each one shows the chains setup link to link. (ie. not offset.)
I think that the offset idea has a lot of merit.
If I was you
I'd be worried about me.

Offline MCRider

  • Such is the life of a
  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 14,376
  • Today's Lesson: One good turn deserves another.
Re: Primary Chains
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2009, 04:40:46 PM »
I can't remember, is the stock set up link to link? I think so.

Can't see where it would matter, but my opinion is less than educated.   ;D

Would like to hear more as i am near that point with my project.
Ron
I am certain that they are always setup link to link as the stock configuration and that is how I have always done it without thinking twice about it. (Old dogs, old habits!!)
I had a look through some old photos and each one shows the chains setup link to link. (ie. not offset.)
I think that the offset idea has a lot of merit.


I think I will do mine that way.

And if it blows up its your fault!  JK   ;D
Ride Safe:
Ron
1988 NT650 HawkGT;  1978 CB400 Hawk;  1975 CB750F -Free Bird; 1968 CB77 Super Hawk -Ticker;  Phaedrus 1972 CB750K2- Build Thread
"Sometimes the light's all shining on me, other times I can barely see, lately it appears to me, what a long, strange trip its been."

Offline mick7504

  • Old Timer
  • ******
  • Posts: 3,740
Re: Primary Chains
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2009, 04:54:02 PM »
I can't remember, is the stock set up link to link? I think so.

Can't see where it would matter, but my opinion is less than educated.   ;D

Would like to hear more as i am near that point with my project.
Ron
I am certain that they are always setup link to link as the stock configuration and that is how I have always done it without thinking twice about it. (Old dogs, old habits!!)
I had a look through some old photos and each one shows the chains setup link to link. (ie. not offset.)
I think that the offset idea has a lot of merit.


I think I will do mine that way.

And if it blows up its your fault!  JK   ;D
We can fix it but you'll have to come for a visit down under.  ;D  ;D
If I was you
I'd be worried about me.