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Offline bucky katt

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stock coils question
« on: November 01, 2009, 12:54:29 pm »
i got a set of stock coils this afternoon and the wires, while not as felxible as new ARE in decent shape, however they dont have plug caps on the end. can i strip insulation off the ends of these wires and just use the plug connectors from my dyna wires? i've never had a stock coil on this bike before and i just dont know enough about them. OR should i just put the dyna wires into the stock coils, using the how to thread here? i have both copper core and the resistance core wires. also, can i use the dyna s with the stock coils just until i get enough money together to get a hondaman box?
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Re: stock coils question
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2009, 03:23:38 pm »
Assuming the stock coils check out ok, I would go with the stock coils/wires and 5K ohm resistor plug caps with non-resistor plugs.
If you decide on another coil/wire/cap/plug combination later, at least your moving from a known/self proven combination.

Stock coils and Dyna S also go well together................... :)

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Re: stock coils question
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2009, 03:25:06 pm »
the coils check out, dead nuts on 5 ohms. glad to know i can still use the dyna s.
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Re: stock coils question
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2009, 03:43:45 pm »
Another couple of things to consider in your immediate choice.
I'm not sure of the precise style of caps you've got. You do of course want to ensure a neat secure fitting of the lead to the plug cap. Ideally the lead to cap opening should be of the same (or very close) diameter as the lead.
Does the cap have a  conductor spike in it? If so you can simply cut the lead to length and screw the lead into the cap.........If the cap has a plain conductor socket, you do need to trim the insulation back and ensure the centre conductor of the lead seats securely against the cap's conductor surface. Turning the lead centre conductor back along the lead usually works well.

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Re: stock coils question
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2009, 03:58:23 pm »
BK,

I have heard that factory caps can slowly fail over time.  I have replaced mine with NGK 5K caps.  They're strongly recommended by folks I respect.  If you look inside a cap, it looks kind of like a wood screw pointing at you.  Usually, what's recommended is that you cut off 1/4 inch of the wire before putting the new ones on. 

If you're interested, I can see if my old ones are still around if you want a "factory" set.  If you are interested, let me know and I can put an ohm meter to them to see what kind of shape their in. 

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Re: stock coils question
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2009, 04:43:10 pm »
the coils i got have no caps, thats the main reason i wanted to use the terminal ends from the dyna wires, or possibly even the dyna wires themselves. the wires arent cracket (yet) but theyre very hard and inflexible, which is why i wanted to use the dyna wires as well.
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Re: stock coils question
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2009, 05:12:14 pm »
Are the Dyna leads 'graphite core/ suppression' type or 'copper core' ?
What is the measured resistance of the Dyna lead/plug cap. As measured from end of lead at coil end thru lead and cap to spark plug side.?


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Re: stock coils question
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2009, 06:16:59 pm »
I think you are facing a conundrum. Maybe thinking,' scorched if I do, scorched if I don't'. :-\

You don't know that the Dyna coils are unusable, even though you measure 4.1ohm in a 3 ohm coil.
You dont really know how good the stock coils are until you use them on the road.
You dont want to cut/sacrifice the good Dyna leads/caps onto an unproven stock coil/lead
You might doubt the performance of a stock coil/Dyna lead and cap combination.
You dont want to waste money unnecessarily on fresh leads and plugs for the stock coil.
You would have to perform surgery on the stock coils to ensure the use of good insulated leads.

The copper core lead and ngk 5K ohm caps would probably cost about $20/25 new.
With these fitted to the stock coils, you would then (potentially) have two complete sets (Stock and Dyna arrangements). With the bike in running order (stock coils/ leads/caps) you would then have the capacity to swap back to the potentially better Dyna spark performance. That would be my preferred route. :)

Without fitting fresh leads and/or at least good caps (with the right resistance level) to the stock coils you may achieve nothing.

Alternately, if the Dyna leads are copper core, surgery and fitting into the stock coils may be as strght fwd as the procedural thred describes. You'd still need to check total resistance thru the lead and caps
It might even be achievable with suppression leads and end fitting, but the surgery would probably be more extreme. However if that operation is unsuccessful the stock coils might not be really left in a proper serviceable/usable  state, or require additional mods and associated work.

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Re: stock coils question
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2009, 01:36:47 am »
Assuming the stock coils check out ok, I would go with the stock coils/wires and 5K ohm resistor plug caps with non-resistor plugs.
If you decide on another coil/wire/cap/plug combination later, at least your moving from a known/self proven combination.

Stock coils and Dyna S also go well together................... :)


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Of all God's creatures there is only one that cannot be made the slave of the lash. That one is the cat. If man could be crossed with the cat it would improve man, but it would deteriorate the cat.
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