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Scrubbing new computer clean- questions
« on: January 11, 2010, 11:38:16 PM »
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I am prepping a newer computer to receive the files from my old computer- both have Windoze XP home and my sis had the newer one and put a lot of crap on it and I want to clean it up before I attempt to transfer files over again- first time did not go so well.

I have a recovery OS disk I burned and I want to format the hard drive at least twice before I put Windoze back on- clean it up nice and good.

When I go to the command prompt and try to format drive c: it says it cannot run format because the volume is in use by another process and that I have to force a dismount on the volume- is this something I want to do? I don't remember being asked to dismount the volume the last time I did this on another computer. Any help would be appreciated.

 
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Re: Scrubbing new computer clean- questions
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2010, 11:50:18 PM »
Ha- looks like I'll want to do it from the recovery disk afterall...
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Re: Scrubbing new computer clean- questions
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2010, 12:58:36 AM »
If you download a program called "killdisc" onto a floppy, set your bios to boot from the floppy first and reboot, this program will wipe your hard drive clean. You then reset the bios to boot from cd and re-install your windows xp.
you must have the windows xp installation disc as the recovery disc is no use after competely wiping the hard disc.

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Re: Scrubbing new computer clean- questions
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2010, 04:20:21 AM »
If you download a program called "killdisc" onto a floppy, set your bios to boot from the floppy first and reboot, this program will wipe your hard drive clean. You then reset the bios to boot from cd and re-install your windows xp.
you must have the windows xp installation disc as the recovery disc is no use after competely wiping the hard disc.

+1 on what John says, the recovery disc will no doubt have some "crap on it" that was pre-installed by the original manufacturer, a clean install gives you the chance to just install what you need.
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Re: Scrubbing new computer clean- questions
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2010, 05:15:09 AM »
Why don't you just boot the windows from the CD, and simply go for new installation and do the format from there? There is an option at the every beginning of the installation. And you 're done no problem!
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Re: Scrubbing new computer clean- questions
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2010, 06:13:47 AM »
Why don't you just boot the windows from the CD, and simply go for new installation and do the format from there? There is an option at the every beginning of the installation. And you 're done no problem!

Formatting twice won't really change anything. Formatting from command line with a switch like /u will work much better, but then a full install will be required.
I recommend that when the 'typical install' / 'custom install' question comes up, choose custom and go with a bare bones install.  If you need anything later on you'll be prompted to insert the windows disk then.
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Re: Scrubbing new computer clean- questions
« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2010, 06:55:58 AM »
If you want a real wipe of the drive, download Darik's boot and nuke   http://www.dban.org/download
you can install this to either a floppy or cd. It will by default do a triple pass writting 0s and 1s on the whole disk. You can choose to do 7 or even 20+ passes I think.
It runs on a linux kernel. It will take some time but software like this is what govt depts commonly use to securely wipe drives.

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Re: Scrubbing new computer clean- questions
« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2010, 07:12:04 AM »
Procedures like that are useful for preventing someone from retrieving data using forensic techniques, but is really overkill when you just want to do a clean install.  As Buber said, formatting during installation is sufficient for this purpose.

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Re: Scrubbing new computer clean- questions
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2010, 07:17:59 AM »
Wiping the disk is only good to remove stuff you would consider incriminating, or at least private. It doesn't make the disk better for installing a new operating system. When you delete a file or even reformat the entire disk, the actual information is all still there: the "index" that has the filenames and where to find them is cleared out. WIping, which really erases all the data, is a good idea before you discard or give away a computer or disk drive. Otherwise your stash of amputee pirate granny pron - and enough information to get into your bank account - could come back.
Try the recovery disk first. It should be able to do a full restore of the system as when the thing was bought new. Make sure you have the sticker with the activation code though: you will need it or else you'll be buying a new XP package (or Win7?) or learning Linux.
If it looks to be able to do a full install (maybe you can call the computer manufacturer to confirm this) then reformat the C: drive to clear out any crap that an install "on top of" your existing system might leave.
The "volume" stuff is interesting. I have never seen this but I have never owned an OEM computer, always built my own. Many OEM systems have a secret hidden partition on the disk drive with the Windows installation files, the recovery CD just accesses these to do an actual recovery - that's an easyish way to eliminate use of the CD on another computer. This may relate to having to unmount a volume although Windows doesn't usually let you see that kind of stuff. You can use fdisk or any other partition program to see what partitions are on the disk. Don't mess with them though if you want to do the restore! If you want to install from a new Windows disk or use Linux, remove all partitions and repartition the way you need to. Windows likes one full disk partition, Linux will want at least 2 but creates them during its installation for you.

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Re: Scrubbing new computer clean- questions
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2010, 07:26:38 AM »
I mention this software since he said he wanted to clean it up. This would do it.

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Re: Scrubbing new computer clean- questions
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2010, 07:46:03 AM »
No need for all that.

You can't format a drive while running on the OS from that drive. You also cannot format from an XP cd from the recovery console.

All you have to do is kill the MBR and file allocation table, honestly.

To do it quickly, download and make a cd of gparted. Boot off it, it will show you the partitions. Just select each partition and delete. It becomes "unallocated", which is RAW format. Shut it down and install your OS. It'll ask you what you want to format the drive as, just do "quick format (ntfs)"

You're golden.
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Re: Scrubbing new computer clean- questions
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2010, 07:50:47 AM »
All you have to do is kill the MBR and file allocation table, honestly.

There are probably any number of viruses out there that will do this for you too.  ;D
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Re: Scrubbing new computer clean- questions
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2010, 07:55:18 AM »
Heh, yeah, there used to be, but they got smart.
They couldn't spread the virus, or trick you into giving them your credit card number with a non-working computer, so they kinda gave up on those....
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Re: Scrubbing new computer clean- questions
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2010, 08:48:04 AM »
Why don't you just boot the windows from the CD, and simply go for new installation and do the format from there? There is an option at the every beginning of the installation. And you 're done no problem!
+1 on that. I've done it that way many of times. It will install the OS without all the "crapplets" vendors load on there. If you only have one computer make sure you have your network adapter driver. You have to install that before you can connect to the internet to download the rest of the updates, drivers, etc.
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Re: Scrubbing new computer clean- questions
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2010, 09:01:18 AM »
This doesn't erase the MBR.
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Re: Scrubbing new computer clean- questions
« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2010, 10:31:29 AM »
fdisk...........................

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Re: Scrubbing new computer clean- questions
« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2010, 10:37:14 AM »
This doesn't erase the MBR.

Only a concern if it's been compromised, which doesn't seem to be the case here.

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Re: Scrubbing new computer clean- questions
« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2010, 10:41:12 AM »
I still vote for dban! Everyone else wants to be right, so why can't I! It is not required but any old data is GONE, especially after the 32 pass you can do.  :)

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Re: Scrubbing new computer clean- questions
« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2010, 10:59:52 AM »
This doesn't erase the MBR.

Only a concern if it's been compromised, which doesn't seem to be the case here.

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But then you get two boot records. Mildly annoying.
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Re: Scrubbing new computer clean- questions
« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2010, 11:06:55 AM »
You always have two boot records, if you count the backup.  That's why the first one is called the MBR and not just the BR :)

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Re: Scrubbing new computer clean- questions
« Reply #20 on: January 12, 2010, 11:07:51 AM »
OK, sorry, I'll restate it. You get two records of bootable OS's in the MBR if you don't wipe it.
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Re: Scrubbing new computer clean- questions
« Reply #21 on: January 12, 2010, 11:16:13 AM »
fdisk...........................

+1   Delpart works well too.

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Re: Scrubbing new computer clean- questions
« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2010, 11:29:53 AM »
The MBR doesn't contain the list of bootable operating systems, that's stored in the BOOT.INI file in Windows systems.

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Re: Scrubbing new computer clean- questions
« Reply #23 on: January 12, 2010, 11:40:30 AM »
THe boot ini file POINTS to them. The boot.ini file itself doesn't contain the code to start windows. boot.ini points to the boot loader. boot loader says "I have this master partition table and this master boot code" inside the MBR. The MBR, if left alone when reinstalling, will have more than one master partition table and master boot code. One of them is wrong, and wont work.

Boot.ini is nothing more than a tiny bit of code that points to relevant file son the MBR.

/edit: honestly, I'm not interested in arguing about this. I like to remove the MBR when wiping and reinstalling, because I don't like the leftover master partition table and master boot code in there. Stuff can live there that shouldn't, and it's annoying to me to have code that points to nothing in an 'invisible' area.
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« Reply #24 on: January 12, 2010, 11:45:09 AM »
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_boot_record

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On IA-32 IBM PC compatible machines using the MBR Partition Table scheme, the bootstrapping firmware contained within the ROM BIOS loads and executes the master boot record. Because the i386 family of processors boot up in real mode, the code in the MBR is real mode machine language instructions. This code normally passes control by chain loading the volume boot record (VBR) of the active (primary) partition, although some boot managers replace that conventional code with their own.

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