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Offline NoXi

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What?!? cb750 hillclimber!
« on: February 20, 2010, 02:50:33 pm »
found this on craigslist.  never new anyone has tried it... too weird  http://grandforks.craigslist.org/mcy/1608242156.html
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Re: What?!? cb750 hillclimber!
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2010, 03:04:04 pm »
found this on craigslist.  never new anyone has tried it... too weird  http://grandforks.craigslist.org/mcy/1608242156.html
This is actually quite common amongst hillclimber folk. They like big in line 4s, madeover to look like they are in dirt bike frames, maybe some are, extended rears with paddle tires, all kinds of stuff. Gotta admit looks like fun.
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Re: What?!? cb750 hillclimber!
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2010, 06:35:41 pm »
I know a National Champ....he used a CB
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Re: What?!? cb750 hillclimber!
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2010, 08:23:23 pm »
Canadian John Williams won the world hillclimbing championship five times between 1972 and 1981. His first win in 1972 was on a pushrod harley running 75% nitro.
John decided to try something new, using a CB750 engine from a wreck. A custom frame with an extended swingarm made for better traction on near-vertical hills. John also decided 100% nitro was the way to go.
Nitro is an effective fuel because it contains a lot of the oxygen needed to burn, you can burn about 9 times as much nitro fuel as gasoline in a cylinder without being "rich". Nitro only has about 1/4 the actual energy output of gasoline though... but you still get close to three times the horsepower from a motor using it at 100%.
100% nitro proved too dangerous for even John though: Nitromethane is a high explosive but rather difficult to detonate and this property is not used in an engine - but if a tank of fuel detonated the rider would be blown apart. A railroad carload accidentally detonated in Illinois in the '50s killing two railwaymen and leaving a 30 meter crater 10 meters deep. To temper this high explosive danger he went with about 97% nitro with other the other 3% chemicals to eliminate the explosion hazard.
This got him about 250HP.
And a lot of championship wins. He actually had a racing team with three bikes, his two sons were the other two riders.
They developed the super long wheelbase frames still used in hillclimbing, although I'm not sure there is an actual championship any more.
The biggest risk with 97% nitro is that blow-by accumulates in the crankcase until an explosive mixture forms, then the engine is a bit unpredictable. The races he didn't win usually had scattered shards of his crankcase scattered over the hillside.
He abandoned the 750 SOHC4 in the last years of his career, using the relatively rare Benelli 750 "Sei" six cylinder engine as the smaller pistons allowed a higher rev limit. This is pretty much a stretched CB550 engine. On 97% nitro it was supposedly making well over 300hp at 13000 rpm. Quite a sound.
I have spoken to John several times, he's quite a storyteller.


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Re: What?!? cb750 hillclimber!
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2010, 09:14:48 pm »
What town is he from ?
 There is a Williams  run Bonneville team out of Windsor.. Arrow Racing.. They have a 500cc CBR that does over 200 mph.. :o
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Re: What?!? cb750 hillclimber!
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2010, 11:41:55 pm »
Noxi,
I'm far more interested in the engine in your avatar. It looks like the old Farymann in my boat, a german built marine diesel.
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Re: What?!? cb750 hillclimber!
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2010, 11:59:51 pm »
  I couldn't find any video of a cb750 hillclimber but here's some cool video's of other bikes....... :o

                    Check out the last bike, it looks like it has a supercharger drive on it.

                   

 Here's another.....
         


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Re: What?!? cb750 hillclimber!
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2010, 02:46:37 am »
Noxi,
I'm far more interested in the engine in your avatar. It looks like the old Farymann in my boat, a german built marine diesel.

Looked like a cx 500 to me at first glance..
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Re: What?!? cb750 hillclimber!
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2010, 06:48:54 am »
BlueTurbo: Yeah I couldn't find a CB750 one either, I could have sworn there was one.

Nevertheless, those clips are amazing!
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Re: What?!? cb750 hillclimber!
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2010, 09:07:27 am »
I've read here that a modified cam called a Big Bang makes these engines ideal for hill climb.  Basically, the cam lobes are ground such that 1 fires at the same time as 4.  Similarly, 2 and 3 fire together.  So instead of a nice smooth Bang-Bang-Bang-Bang you get BANG-BANG-rest-rest.  The double rest acts much like anti-lock brakes in that the rear tire gets a chance to re-grip before another hit of massive torque.
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Re: What?!? cb750 hillclimber!
« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2010, 08:16:28 pm »
Noxi,
I'm far more interested in the engine in your avatar. It looks like the old Farymann in my boat, a german built marine diesel.

my avatar is a honda cx500 turbo i built in Pro/engineer.  97 hp from a transverse twin 500cc that rivals even todays best!
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Re: What?!? cb750 hillclimber!
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2010, 09:26:59 am »
Cool ., bring it to Bonneville, quite a few CX 500s there..
 And the Williams 500 Honda ..200 + mph..
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It's All part of the ADVENTURE...

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