Topic: Healthcare Bill: Interesting Result

[medic09]

I just saw this on a nurse's site that I participate on.

A poll simply asked the participants, "Are you glad the Healthcare Bill passed?"

There have been 680 respondents so far.

44.14 % (300) responded Yes.
46.62 % (317) responded No.
9.62 %   (63 ) responded Not Sure.

Granted, that is a small survey so far.  But the result is sort of interesting, with such an even split.  It is fair to assume that the community of nurses wants to see the general population receive good health care (whatever that may be).  The nurses' associations pushed for the bill, as I recall.  It may be that the rank and file aren't so enthused.

[HondaLover77]

I just saw this on a nurse's site that I participate on.

A poll simply asked the participants, "Are you glad the Healthcare Bill passed?"

There have been 680 respondents so far.

44.14 % (300) responded Yes.
46.62 % (317) responded No.
9.62 %   (63 ) responded Not Sure.

Granted, that is a small survey so far.  But the result is sort of interesting, with such an even split.  It is fair to assume that the community of nurses wants to see the general population receive good health care (whatever that may be).  The nurses' associations pushed for the bill, as I recall.  It may be that the rank and file aren't so enthused.

I am not enthused with it .Of course I am of the poor population but have good insurance at an arm and leg cost. Soon to be more of one, my only thing on the bill is how they think they can treat the elderyly on surgeries and such. I take care of husbands aunt and she is on medicare and that will not be around for long with the way the reserves are going. then what are we just gonna pentalize them to death so that they cannot afford to pay for insurance. they did thier dues paid there taxes and the govt messed up why make them pay for it? My parents are gonna be in same boat. It buggs me, they are gonna penalize families that don't  have insurance tot he point they cannot pay for insurance.like i said before just another ploy to make tax payers pay more for their irrespniable spending.

[Inigo Montoya]

I will say this about it. AARP and the AMA (American Medical Association) were apparently both for it. Now I could see the ama maybe not being the most honest but it seems aarp is virtually militant about seniors and their rights and such. If it was really bad for seniors, I am not sure aarp would have supported it.

[Caaveman82]

I just saw this on a nurse's site that I participate on.

A poll simply asked the participants, "Are you glad the Healthcare Bill passed?"

There have been 680 respondents so far.

44.14 % (300) responded Yes.
46.62 % (317) responded No.
9.62 %   (63 ) responded Not Sure.

Granted, that is a small survey so far.  But the result is sort of interesting, with such an even split.  It is fair to assume that the community of nurses wants to see the general population receive good health care (whatever that may be).  The nurses' associations pushed for the bill, as I recall.  It may be that the rank and file aren't so enthused.

Probably the type of nurses that went in for a paycheck rather than to actually help people. Not condeming them, but that is one profession that I just can't imagine making it in.

[tortelvis]

Probably the type of nurses that went in for a paycheck rather than to actually help people. Not condeming them, but that is one profession that I just can't imagine making it in.

I have never personally met the type of nurse that is in it for the money. It is one of the biggest single differences between the NHS in Britain and the "healthcare" system here. The majority of medical staff over there do NOT make much money at all and that includes doctors. I can say that I have never met a doctor here who cared more about the patient than his fee.

[SD750F]

Wait until the Health Care Bill goes into action. Then ask the same question and I bet the results will be different.

A lot of people are scared by all the talking heads saying it will be the end of the United States because everyone will be taxed to pay for this...

That would scare the crap out of anyone incapable of researching or actually being able to read for themselves. Americans generally are way too lazy and want everyone handed to them in a neat simple package with a couple words all being one or two syllables. And there is way too many willing to oblige this desire. From hyped up boob tube inciters, all the way to the pulpit on Sunday mornings...

[razor02097]

Wait until the Health Care Bill goes into action. Then ask the same question and I bet the results will be different.

A lot of people are scared by all the talking heads saying it will be the end of the United States because everyone will be taxed to pay for this...

That would scare the crap out of anyone incapable of researching or actually being able to read for themselves. Americans generally are way too lazy and want everyone handed to them in a neat simple package with a couple words all being one or two syllables. And there is way too many willing to oblige this desire. From hyped up boob tube inciters, all the way to the pulpit on Sunday mornings...

We are going to start paying for this monster now and not see anything for another 4-5 years.  The reform now forces insurance companies to sell policies to patients with pre existing conditions AND COVER THE CONDITION.  Then it will induce a premium cap.  It isn't the cancer patients and patients with bad diseases that will make it collapse it will be the people that drop the insurance when they are healthy then buy a policy ONLY when they get sick.  The insurance company will not only be loosing money but will pretty much be forced out of the game all together.  

Just wait and see how the public option will be introduced... Due to government influence the insurance companies that do somehow survive will then be demonized.  The public option passes, since the insurance companies aren't going to survive in a negative bottom line they will then sell to the government.  The government now runs health care as we know it.

As the money keeps running down the drain the system starts to crash.  To make up for this the new public option will include waiting lists and rationing of care.  

The government doesn't have any clue how to run something.  It ends up costing the taxpayers twice as much as they project.  Medicare was a limping dog and now is castrated with the new cuts they just put through with the bill.  With enough bribe money anyone will eat a turd.  The only reason it passed is under table bribes and scum tactics.


Gee I thought this country was about freedom... freedom to make our choice?  Taking the risk and reaping the reward or accepting the consequence?  The government is taking the risk and knowing it will bring consequence not reward.

[Inigo Montoya]

Dang that is practically word for word what you will hear on faux news! Good memory!

[Laminar]

Oh good, another health care thread. This one will be full of well-reasoned, calm discussion with all parties interested in expanding their viewpoints and growing personally.

[razor02097]

Dang that is practically word for word what you will hear on faux news! Good memory!

really?  I don't really watch fox (other then The sara conner chronicals and dollhouse series they use to run)

Oh good, another health care thread. This one will be full of well-reasoned, calm discussion with all parties interested in expanding their viewpoints and growing personally.

lol sorry man I had to get it off my chest 

[Tretnine]

Probably the type of nurses that went in for a paycheck rather than to actually help people. Not condeming them, but that is one profession that I just can't imagine making it in.

I have never personally met the type of nurse that is in it for the money. It is one of the biggest single differences between the NHS in Britain and the "healthcare" system here. The majority of medical staff over there do NOT make much money at all and that includes doctors. I can say that I have never met a doctor here who cared more about the patient than his fee.

Whoa, not to step on anyone's toes, but I was backed into by a nurse at the gas station while on my YELLOW 550. YELLOW! She walked between me on my YELLOW bike and her car, got into her car, put it in reverse and knocked the bike over. If I wasn't so young and nimble she would have crushed my legs before I could jump off. Then, she got her baby daddy all riled up and said, "He must have pulled up right behind me!"

I'd say all the other nurses in the world are nice people, but if I met her in an ER I'd ask to put in my own IV. Thanks.

[ev0lve]

Probably the type of nurses that went in for a paycheck rather than to actually help people. Not condeming them, but that is one profession that I just can't imagine making it in.

I have never personally met the type of nurse that is in it for the money. It is one of the biggest single differences between the NHS in Britain and the "healthcare" system here. The majority of medical staff over there do NOT make much money at all and that includes doctors. I can say that I have never met a doctor here who cared more about the patient than his fee.

Whoa, not to step on anyone's toes, but I was backed into by a nurse at the gas station while on my YELLOW 550. YELLOW! She walked between me on my YELLOW bike and her car, got into her car, put it in reverse and knocked the bike over. If I wasn't so young and nimble she would have crushed my legs before I could jump off. Then, she got her baby daddy all riled up and said, "He must have pulled up right behind me!"

I'd say all the other nurses in the world are nice people, but if I met her in an ER I'd ask to put in my own IV. Thanks.

Can you do the catheter too?

[Tretnine]

Catheter? If it was between me doing it myself and the lady who can't see a bike when she walks withing 2' of it... I'll figure it out.

[ev0lve]

Catheter? If it was between me doing it myself and the lady who can't see a bike when she walks withing 2' of it... I'll figure it out.

It's wince worthy either way 

[Retro Rocket]

We are going to start paying for this monster now and not see anything for another 4-5 years.  The reform now forces insurance companies to sell policies to patients with pre existing conditions AND COVER THE CONDITION.  Then it will induce a premium cap.  It isn't the cancer patients and patients with bad diseases that will make it collapse it will be the people that drop the insurance when they are healthy then buy a policy ONLY when they get sick.  The insurance company will not only be loosing money but will pretty much be forced out of the game all together. 

It won't work like that at all, we already have a similar system here and if you become sick you can't just run in and get insurance, its just not that simple. Half the problem is the price the insurers charge for health care, they are just astronomical in the US and prohibitively restrictive, here we can get coverage from as low as 10 dollars a week, {just watched the advertisement a minute ago} and full coverage for a 10th of what some of you people pay or even less, some don't even do health checks and they are not allowed to discriminate.  Maybe the government should make the insurers drop their fees to compensate for the "tax" and that way you won't notice the difference much at all, our insurance companies don't make any where near as much as yours do and they survive quite well. We watch this in Australia and scratch our heads, why wouldn't you want better and more affordable health care? Really, your system is so screwed up its unbelievable, there's way too many people believing all the bull#$%* and the rest just fear change, FFS just pull some money out of your bloated defense budget....

Mick

[Inigo Montoya]

WHAT?!!! And how would we push the rest of the world around? We wouldn't? We would get along instead? What a concept!

[ryder60]

We are going to start paying for this monster now and not see anything for another 4-5 years.  The reform now forces insurance companies to sell policies to patients with pre existing conditions AND COVER THE CONDITION.  Then it will induce a premium cap.  It isn't the cancer patients and patients with bad diseases that will make it collapse it will be the people that drop the insurance when they are healthy then buy a policy ONLY when they get sick.  The insurance company will not only be loosing money but will pretty much be forced out of the game all together. 

It won't work like that at all, we already have a similar system here and if you become sick you can't just run in and get insurance, its just not that simple. Half the problem is the price the insurers charge for health care, they are just astronomical in the US and prohibitively restrictive, here we can get coverage from as low as 10 dollars a week, {just watched the advertisement a minute ago} and full coverage for a 10th of what some of you people pay or even less, some don't even do health checks and they are not allowed to discriminate.  Maybe the government should make the insurers drop their fees to compensate for the "tax" and that way you won't notice the difference much at all, our insurance companies don't make any where near as much as yours do and they survive quite well. We watch this in Australia and scratch our heads, why wouldn't you want better and more affordable health care? Really, your system is so screwed up its unbelievable, there's way too many people believing all the bull#$%* and the rest just fear change, FFS just pull some money out of your bloated defense budget....

Mick

---------------------

The folks that have opposed this have really told some whoppers.  For one, the pre-existing clause doesn't come in until 2014.  And you can't just get medical coverage when you get sick.  The bill says there can be up to a 90 day waiting period.  So for all those wise azzes that are just going to pay the fine and not get coverage, they can pay for the first 90 days of care after they get sick or after they have their accident.  At the end of the 90 days they'll be covered and so will their pre-existing conditions.  They'll be okay then but still have to pay their fine.

The shame of the whole thing is that the public option had to be thrown overboard.  Without it there really isn't any reform.  The folks can all thank the Republicans for that.

I get my health care for $57.00 per month.

[BeSeeingYou]

Wait until the Health Care Bill goes into action. Then ask the same question and I bet the results will be different.

A lot of people are scared by all the talking heads saying it will be the end of the United States because everyone will be taxed to pay for this...

That would scare the crap out of anyone incapable of researching or actually being able to read for themselves. Americans generally are way too lazy and want everyone handed to them in a neat simple package with a couple words all being one or two syllables. And there is way too many willing to oblige this desire. From hyped up boob tube inciters, all the way to the pulpit on Sunday mornings...

We are going to start paying for this monster now and not see anything for another 4-5 years.  The reform now forces insurance companies to sell policies to patients with pre existing conditions AND COVER THE CONDITION.  Then it will induce a premium cap.  It isn't the cancer patients and patients with bad diseases that will make it collapse it will be the people that drop the insurance when they are healthy then buy a policy ONLY when they get sick.  The insurance company will not only be loosing money but will pretty much be forced out of the game all together.  

It's clear you don't know much about the health care bill.  The pre-existing condition clause goes hand in hand with the required health insurance coverage buy in so people can't wait till they are sick before buying.  This was actually in a Republican proposal back in 1993 I think.  This is one part of the bill that does have wide support from Democrats and Republican lawmakers and the insurance industry.

[ev0lve]

Worth an hour if you missed it.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/obamasdeal/view/?utm_campaign=viewpage&utm_medium=grid&utm_source=grid

[razor02097]

Wait until the Health Care Bill goes into action. Then ask the same question and I bet the results will be different.

A lot of people are scared by all the talking heads saying it will be the end of the United States because everyone will be taxed to pay for this...

That would scare the crap out of anyone incapable of researching or actually being able to read for themselves. Americans generally are way too lazy and want everyone handed to them in a neat simple package with a couple words all being one or two syllables. And there is way too many willing to oblige this desire. From hyped up boob tube inciters, all the way to the pulpit on Sunday mornings...

We are going to start paying for this monster now and not see anything for another 4-5 years.  The reform now forces insurance companies to sell policies to patients with pre existing conditions AND COVER THE CONDITION.  Then it will induce a premium cap.  It isn't the cancer patients and patients with bad diseases that will make it collapse it will be the people that drop the insurance when they are healthy then buy a policy ONLY when they get sick.  The insurance company will not only be loosing money but will pretty much be forced out of the game all together.  

It clear you don't know much about the health care bill.  The pre-existing condition clause goes hand in hand with the required health insurance coverage buy in so people can't wait till they are sick before buying.  This was actually in a Republican proposal back in 1993 I think.  This is one part of the bill that does have wide support from Democrats and Republican lawmakers and the insurance industry.

What will make people buy insurance?.. the penalty?  Paying the penalty is cheaper then buying a policy.  What will motivate them to buy a policy is when they get sick.  I never heard anything about a waiting period either.  It is preposterous to think that the United States government could efficiently reform health care.  We are already recovering from a recession. The health care bill will end up crippling or even collapsing the economy.

Hell I wouldn't be surprised if they started a push to outlaw junk food, sugar, alcohol and motorcycles.  They are all bad for your health right?

[SD750F]

It is quite obvious that there are people participating in this thread think that all the contrary information and/or facts to their views are rubbish. The only truth they will ever believe is what is uttered from Sarah Palin...

How sad.

[razor02097]

It is quite obvious that there are people participating in this thread think that all the contrary information and/or facts to their views are rubbish. The only truth they will ever believe is what is uttered from Sarah Palin...

How sad.

It is quite obvious that there are people in this thread hypnotized with utter BS the government likes to shove down the throats of glassy eyed sheep.

If you don't want to contribute to this thread then you don't have to post.

[SD750F]

Razor,

I must have hit a raw nerve... Did me mentioning Sarah Palin bring out your attack? I contribute, and will continue to contribute. Really sorry you feel that way bud.

[razor02097]

Razor,

I must have hit a raw nerve... Did me mentioning Sarah Palin bring out your attack? I contribute, and will continue to contribute. Really sorry you feel that way bud.

nope don't care about Sara Palin

I'm just surprised of the ignorance shown, and the amount of trust in the government to run something as delicate as health care.  Look how well they are running medicare...Oops

[SD750F]

medic09,

Your original post stated:

A poll simply asked the participants, "Are you glad the Healthcare Bill passed?"

   There have been 680 respondents so far.

   44.14 % (300) responded Yes.
   46.62 % (317) responded No.
   9.62 %   (63 ) responded Not Sure.

My wife has worked as a OR Nurse and an OR Manager for the last 30+ years. And I bet that the results in the local hospital would be the same. Here is my theory based on what my wife has told me. A lot of the hospital employees basically like the idea of the health care bill, but hear everyday constant complaints from some doctors and surgeons that the bill will ruin the economy... Now the doctors that are very vocal about their anger are all private owners of a local surgical center that each owner makes $3,000 per procedure every time one of their partners cuts a patient! They average 30 cases a day. That's $90,000 a day for each owner! And with an average of lets say 250 weeks a year, that's $23,400,000 per owner per year bonus!!!

So you can see why there are constantly talking crap about the plan. They want it to fail. They don't want to lose their bonus. Basic human nature. So all the employees have to sit there and listen to the doctors concerns every day during every surgery. After time the start to question their beliefs. If a false statement is said over and over, it will become a truth.