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Offline MotoRico

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CB550
« on: February 08, 2006, 02:05:15 PM »
I am considering purchasing a 1974 CB550 from a neighbor.  The bike has 18k and some change on it.  When I first looked at it the battery was dead and I charged it for him.  When we went to start the bike it wouldn't turn over.  It has been sitting in his garage for some time and I am sure that the tank needs flushed and the carbs probably need cleaned at the very least.  We tried to start the bike with the kick stand because he said that the starter only occasionaly grabs to start the bike.  I think there is a clutch on the starter and I am hoping that it is just bad and there isn't some gear in the motor that has been ground down causing all sorts of mess in the crankcase.

He's asking a decent price but I would like to know if there is anything I should look for, especially given what I wrote in the previous paragraph.  His price is just above what I would like to pay if I were to part out the bike in the very worst case.  I truly would like to get the bike and make it a cafe project. 

Is the starter something I should worry about?  I am not too overly concerned about having an electric starter (I figure that is just a bit of weight the bike can lose) but I don't know if any damage could have been caused to the engine.  It looks like I can rather easily take off the panel and view the starter so I may try that.

I would greatly appreciate your input and hope to join the CB family soon.

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Re: CB550
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2006, 02:54:33 PM »
I'd start with the basic ABC's...Fuel, Spark and Air. Make sure its getting spark to all 4 plugs...then check fuel flow and the bowls and the air filter. Don't need a electric starter to get it going then...
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Offline Glenn Stauffer

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Re: CB550
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2006, 03:15:16 PM »
How much is he asking?  I paid $250 for mine in 1994 and it ran.  Otherwise, it was a bit of a beater having spent the prior years of its life parked outside.  I had to replace the tires and chain, brake pads, chain and sprockets to get it on the road.

I've rarely heard anyone having a problem with the starter not turning over the engine on these bikes, so it isn't a common problem.

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Re: CB550
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2006, 04:01:19 PM »
He's asking $300.  The bike is in relatively good shape other than the motor not starting.  There is some small rust in areas and dings on the fenders (almost looks like hail damage).  There is a small leak around the valve cover near the top of the head.  I have read that is a very common occurrence.

I am thinking the starter may be going bad as a gear wouldn't seem to catch occassionally rather I think it would not catch at all.

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Re: CB550
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2006, 04:16:50 PM »
Can you send pics?  $300 isn't a bad price for a bike with an engine that turns and decent cosemetics - I'd probably go for it.

Oil leaks are pretty normal; if it is just around the valve cover, that's not bad - the lean that costs you a few bucks is the one that happens between the head and the block.

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« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2006, 04:38:04 PM »
is the color sunburst orange?
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Re: CB550
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2006, 05:11:32 PM »

Is the starter something I should worry about? 

No, probably not if the starter is just spinning and not engaging the engine.  The centrifugal starter clutch has three rollers on ramps.  The roller are pushed into engagement by weak springs on each at low and no RPMs.  The grease in there can congeal with age and prevent the starter from engaging.  Repeated engine heating might free up the grease.  But, until you get it running, use the kick start.

The starter clutch can be cleaned and re-greased to full operation probably.  But, on the 550 you have to split the cases to get to it.

Before you try and run the engine, drain and catch the contents of each carb bowl via the bottom bowl drain screws.  If there are any "chunks" in there bigger than .016 inch, the slow jets clog and you have to do a partial dismantle to clear them.
Also, if there are chunks, where did they come from, the tank?
You can squirt carb cleaner in the bowl drain hole to flush them if it is not too late already.

IF the slows are already clogged, you'll have to try and start it at 1/2 or more throttle to get gas into the cylinders with full choke.  Of course, it will then die with less than 1/3 throttle.  Check the head pipe temps to see if they all got some fire.  Cold ones are carb issues most likely once you verify the spark plugs are indeed sparking.

You will need a good battery to start the machine.  Hi batt voltage= good spark.  No batt voltage = no spark.

If it has been garaged all it's life with only 18K miles and never crashed, it's a descent deal at $300.    You'll still have to put some money into it, of course, to replace 30 year old rubber bits, etc.  Hail damage only effects cosmetics.  And, it you are going to cafe it, the cosmetic stuff is going  anyway.

Good luck!

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Re: CB550
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2006, 04:00:54 AM »
Sounds like a good deal, I paid $350 for mine last summer.  It needed a new battery, the carbs tuned and air in the tires.  In the long run though, the buying price seems less relevent as I keep throwing $$ tinkering around with it.  I guess hobbies are supposed to be fun more than they're supposed to be cheap.
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Re: CB550
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2006, 02:27:34 PM »
I'm still unclear on the starting issue. You said "When we went to start the bike it wouldn't turn over",  and "We tried to start the bike with the kick stand (sic) because he said that the starter only occasionaly grabs to start the bike." Does the engine turn over with the kickstarter? If so, does it feel like it has compression?
"It has been sitting in his garage for some time." A bike sitting in an unheated garage can be MURDER on its cylinders! I let my 550 sit for one winter in my parents' garage, and when I went to start it up the following summer, the first rev brought a plume of orange exhaust... I'm sure I took quite a bit of life off my cylinders and rings with that stunt. Before you turn this bike over too much, remove all the spark plugs (note the color of their electrodes at this time) and spray some WD40, P'Blaster, Gibbs, Kroil, fogging oil, any sort of aerosol lubricant (I know the first four are penetrating oils, but still) to give you a little 'slide' on the rings.
When I bought my '76 550 for $300, the only thing wrong with it was that the front brake caliper was frozen in the open position (lucky me- easier to get it home than frozen shut!). Since I didn't have my motorcycle endorsement, my brother rode it home for me, and I fixed the brake. I rode it several times that summer- didn't have to tweak the carbs, change the tires, or anything. For $300, it was ready to go. I would expect the same today, even in this age of 'moto-mania' that American Choppers has brought us (has anyone seen the prices on Craigslist lately? A '71 CB350 for $1500, and it needs work? :o Pass that joint, brother! :D ).
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Re: CB550
« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2006, 02:45:34 PM »
The bike won't start, the engine turns over so it isn't siezed.  I am assuming the kickstand won't move if the engine is siezed.  I'll examine it a bit more tonight.

I know a 30+ year old bike isn't going to be perfect and I am looking forward to tinkering on the bike.  It will be nice to have something that doesn't have to run to learn on.

Of course I may have to go into rehab by the time the project is done to deal with motocrack addiction.

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Re: CB550
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2006, 03:46:03 PM »

......  Of course I may have to go into rehab by the time the project is done to deal with motocrack addiction. .....

Hey, what a coincidence - I've got MA (motocrack addiction) too!  (Self diagnosed.) 

I think rehab would only be a problem if you had to go into it BEFORE the project was finished, though.......

(So mixed in with ADD does that make a person "MAADD"?  Hmmmmm.....  I wonder what drugs are available for that?)

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Re: CB550
« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2006, 08:44:29 PM »
I took the plunge and picked up the bike.  It was in better shape than I thought when I looked at it.  I almost feel bad about my plans to make it a cafe racer, almost.  I told my wife thanks for the anniversary gift.

The owner had it running a few months ago and I remember seeing it around last summer so I am pretty sure it should start up when I clean up the carbs.  On a bittersweet note, the tank is full of gas so there is no rust but a bunch of gas to throw out because it's probably bad.  The side covers are shot, one is missing and the other broken but that really doesn't bother me, I can replace them or find/make something more appealing to me.

As a contrast I put up a picture of my other ride, a 2004 599 (CB600F), what I consider a descendant of the 1974.  It struck me that I had two bikes thirty years apart. 

I was shocked when it seemed that the CB550 was lighter than the 599.  I really want to get it running so the wife can practice on the CB550.  Especially considering the whole bike cost less than repairs can easily get to on the new bike.