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Can I soda-blast my whole engine.
« on: July 14, 2010, 06:51:59 PM »
One of the PO's has painted my  CB750 F1 engine black, and I really dislike it.

I want to remove the black paint and repaint it in silver following the guides on this site, but I don't want to dismantle, dip or glass bead it, etc.

Can I plug up all the ports/holes etc and soda blast the whole engine and then just wash away the waste soda?

Anything to watch out for, or consider beforehand?

Thanks guys.

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Re: Can I soda-blast my whole engine.
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2010, 07:02:49 PM »
Im probably wrong, but F1s came with black motors right? Sorry though, I dont know about soda blasting the motor. I imagine if you plugged all your holes and ports and mating surfaces it would work.

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Re: Can I soda-blast my whole engine.
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2010, 07:03:20 PM »
I doubt it will even make a wrinkle into the high heat paint!
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Re: Can I soda-blast my whole engine.
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2010, 07:22:11 PM »
Yeah, I thought that would be a problem :) Paint Stripper worked pretty well for me. The thick gel stuff. Careful with that though! Man does it burn! ::)

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Re: Can I soda-blast my whole engine.
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2010, 07:49:34 PM »
Sorry Hondaface F1's are alloy engines with spoke wheels, F2's have black engines.

As for the ability to blast through rattle can paint P_Camp, I'd expect it's probably a factor of the hardness of the Soda and the velocity it's shot at, so I might have to accept a small field of soda blast to punch through the initial layer of paint, but once away I'd expect it to just peel off, as I doubt it's been etch primed.

Take a look at this: http://www.aircooledtech.com/tools-on-the-cheap/soda_blaster/.

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Re: Can I soda-blast my whole engine.
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2010, 09:55:43 PM »
I repainted my engine with Duplicolor DE1615 Aluminum color. I cleaned the engine quite well, sanded it a bit and then degreased it. So far, I have no problems with it...
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Re: Can I soda-blast my whole engine.
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2010, 11:34:40 PM »
I've gone through the strip and repaint process a couple times with factory and PO paint.  The best option I've found is to remove the engine from the frame, leave everything intact (but remove the carbs and exhaust), and then lather it with paint stripper.  Look for the paint stripper specifically formulated for aluminum so you don't get the white corrosion build-up after you remove the paint.  Then, hose the whole thing down with a garden hose, dry it, and scrub with one of the red paint prep pads (available at most auto stores or Ace Hardwares) and degrease the surfaces.  After that, you are ready to paint.

When applying the stripper, and subsequently hosing down with water, make sure to plug the intake and exhaust ports.  I just use a few bunched up paper towels when I do it, and am careful with where I direct the water spray.  You don't need to worry too much about a little water getting in there, but make sure you don't douse the intake or exhaust ports with direct water flow.

I use the engine enamel I find at Kragen (dupli-color), and have found that it holds up well even for screw heads.  I prefer to remove as many screw/bolts as possible though, and mask off small circles where the screws/bolts will contact.  If you don't do this, then the screws/bolts will tear the new paint away when you screw them in.  If you leave the screw/bolts in when you paint, then the paint will tear when you first remove them.

Of course, disassembling the entire engine and painting the surfaces individually is always the more complete option.

The only point to bear in mind is that the paint will likely become very soft the first couple times it is heated up.  So, make sure to heat up the engine and let it cool a couple times before you ride it to keep road debris from nicking your new engine paint.

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Re: Can I soda-blast my whole engine.
« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2010, 08:36:54 AM »
The homemade tool you linked to will definitely not do the trick, I really wouldn't even bother with that.  Camelman is totally right.   I first tried just sanding and degreasing, then painting over factory paint and was a bit disappointed, so I did what he suggested, and stripped all of my new paint, plus the factory paint off with the thick gel auto/aircract stripper.  It was a total disgusting mess and it took me several applications and hours.  But the work really paid off.  Just make sure to wear full battle gear including a mask/bandanna.  When you spray it off and that stuff flies back and lands on your wrists and face, boy does it burn!!!

After cleaning off the paint I used green and red abrasive pads, both by hand and on a drill chuck.  I spent a few evenings sanding till the whole motor shined.  Then I hung the engine and degreased it several times, and let it dry in the sun.  I also made sure that it was heated up by the sun when I sprayed it with primer and paint, and let my paint cans warm up as well.  It came out really nice.

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Re: Can I soda-blast my whole engine.
« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2010, 08:43:59 AM »
I just bot and used a 15lb soda blaster from Harbor Freight. Runs at 100psi. I tested it on the rust on the inside of a 35 yr old fender. Took the rust off down to the chrome no sweat. Used it on the yellowed lacquer of a brake shoe plate. Took it off down to bare aluminum just as fast.

I have not used it on a painted surface, will do so this weekend. My guess is it would take engine paint off no sweat. Unfortunatley my spare engine cases have already been bead blasted, so I can't test them specifically.
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Re: Can I soda-blast my whole engine.
« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2010, 01:15:22 PM »
Thanks guys, it sounds like it's down to the volume and pressure of air, i.e. the size of compressor used.

I've used the paint stripper method on a large parts of a stripped down 55 Ford Customline and I never want to do that again. I simply don't have the space either.

Figured I could build a throw away blast cabinet out of cardboard and plastic sheeting fairly easy for one use. If I do, I'll post pictures here.

Obviously I'd degrease first and let it dry and then blast. Hopefully it will come out ready to paint.
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Re: Can I soda-blast my whole engine.
« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2010, 06:47:40 PM »
Thanks guys, it sounds like it's down to the volume and pressure of air, i.e. the size of compressor used.

I've used the paint stripper method on a large parts of a stripped down 55 Ford Customline and I never want to do that again. I simply don't have the space either.

Figured I could build a throw away blast cabinet out of cardboard and plastic sheeting fairly easy for one use. If I do, I'll post pictures here.

Obviously I'd degrease first and let it dry and then blast. Hopefully it will come out ready to paint.
My "booth" was the open air outside the garage, on a rubber mat on the driveway. The nozzle was about like an airbrush paint nozzle. The soda media would sting an ungloved hand but not really hurt you. Should wear goggles, mask and gloves. The soda residue (and rust and lacquer) washed away completely with the rain that evening. I'm looking forward to cleaning a boatload of nasty old parts.

I've got some painted aluminum parts I'll blast and report back.
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