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What micrometers do I need?
« on: September 25, 2010, 01:22:44 PM »
Starting to expand my slim tool collection.  What micrometers are needed for working on motorcycles?

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Re: What micrometers do I need?
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2010, 01:32:57 PM »
What work do you intend to do mate? I've got some nice Mitutoyo micrometers that I've had for years, but the measuring tool that gets used the most is a cheap digital vernier caliper. My suggestion would be to buy one of them first, and then buy a mic, if and when the need ever arises. Cheers, Terry ;D
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Re: What micrometers do I need?
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2010, 01:38:28 PM »
Yes a caliper is the best all around but when you want to start checkin pistons and bearing surfaces you need a mikes and telescoping gages.
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Re: What micrometers do I need?
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2010, 01:40:49 PM »
Hey guys,

Thanks for the responses.  I'll end up doing all the above, but to start I simply need to measure some head bolts for stretch marks.  Next I'll be micing my cylinders to see if I'm over bore or not.  Then from there....

calipers...okay!  What size?

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« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2010, 01:59:11 PM »
Hey guys,

Thanks for the responses.  I'll end up doing all the above, but to start I simply need to measure some head bolts for stretch marks.  Next I'll be micing my cylinders to see if I'm over bore or not.  Then from there....

calipers...okay!  What size?

I think mine is 0-150mm (6 inch) and if you can find one, get one that does mm, metric inches and fractions of an inch, I just bought one that does fractions, it's great for identifying drill bits for tapping internal threads etc. Cheers, Terry. ;D
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Re: What micrometers do I need?
« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2010, 02:36:22 PM »
To measure the cylinders, or the internal size of any round hole really, you'll need telescoping gauges.



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Re: What micrometers do I need?
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2010, 09:29:53 AM »
Buy Mitutoyo or Brown and Sharpe micrometers used off of someplace like ebay. You can also check your local pawn shops and craigslist. For the very limited use you will have for them do not spend too much. Many of my Micrometers are used Mitutoyo pieces from the 60's and 70's that I picked up from machinist getting out of the trade. Most machinist like myself take extremely good care of our micrometers and despite their age mine still pass bi-annual calibration with flying colors. I paid between $15 to $45 for used Mitutoyo micrometers in 0-1" to 5-6" sizes.

Calipers are a different story. They are not nearly as accurate, durable, or reliable as some folks think them to be. Any good machinist will not use them to check anything with a tolerance tighter than ± 0.005. They get used for quick checks of looser tolerance items and non critical work. They also are frequently out on the shop floor getting bumped around on tables and covered in coolant. For this reason I do not recommend buying used calipers. There is also no need for a home shop user to pay the extra for a quality digital set of calipers. Buy a good solid set of dial calipers. I recommend Brown and Sharpe, Mitutoyo, Mahr, and higher end SPI. Avoid cheaper SPI, Fowler, and cheap Chinese imports. You should be able to get a nice pair that will last you many years if cared for at prices under $100.

Those telescoping gauges take a bit of time to get used to. You have to develop a feel for them but once you do they are very useful. They can be had inexpensively but avoid the cheapest Chinese imports. They often have a sticky action and the thumb locks do not hold well. I think SPI makes some less expensive but solid sets. If you can buy a cheap ring standard of known bore diameter, you can use it to practice and develop the feel. A ring standard that is no longer certified should be very cheap. I may even have one I can send you from my lab.

If you wish to shop non used items check out MSC, Enco, and Travers. They have good online catalogs and carry most everything you would want o0r need. I can actually send you some 15% off coupons for Enco if you see something you like there. I picked up a couple at a tool and manufacturing show recently.
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Re: What micrometers do I need?
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2010, 10:14:48 AM »
IN ADDITION, dont pas up MOORE & WRIGHT or STARRETT if you find it used, it is also top notch stuff.

 I think if you do any work at all, 1inch micrometer is a must, for checking valve stems, gudes, rockershafts, etc..
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Re: What micrometers do I need?
« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2010, 10:38:18 PM »
Thanks all, you are opening my eyes to the wide world of tools.

I currently have 4 bikes in various states of disassembly/assembly.  From a basket case to a runner.  I'm sure I"ll need most of these tools eventually.

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Re: What micrometers do I need?
« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2010, 06:56:39 PM »
Thanks all, you are opening my eyes to the wide world of tools.

I currently have 4 bikes in various states of disassembly/assembly.  From a basket case to a runner.  I'm sure I"ll need most of these tools eventually.

Good tools will never be a waste of money even if you do not use them for a few years.

On the subject of inspection tools I get to buy a new coordinate measuring machine tomorrow. Thank goodness that $79,000 is not coming out of my pocket. It will be fun to reverse engineer some scooter parts on it though.
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Re: What micrometers do I need?
« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2010, 09:53:24 PM »
Holy crap dude!  That is an expensive piece of machinery.  I can run my shop for a year on that much.  I'm assuming you can use that for you living and it's not just a hobby tool.  Whose cashing out for your new toy?

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Re: What micrometers do I need?
« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2010, 07:32:54 AM »
Holy crap dude!  That is an expensive piece of machinery.  I can run my shop for a year on that much.  I'm assuming you can use that for you living and it's not just a hobby tool.  Whose cashing out for your new toy?

Yeah that is work so the owner is paying for it, that is actually cheap. We are spending close to a million in the next year or so on two new Horizontal Machining Centers and a robotic linear pallet system. The pallet system automatically loads the large tombstone fixture with vices and parts mounted to it in and out of the machines. It will allow us to run the shop "lights out" 24 hours a day with almost no operator interaction. When it gets done with one job it just automatically pulls the pallet out and sticks the next one on the program in the machine. Right now we have to run three shifts 6 days a week and have an operator at each machine.

I am the Quality Assurance Manager for a small manufacturing company. I used to be a machinist here before my promotion. Right now we have five CNC vertical milling centers, one CNC horizontal milling center, two cnc lathes, and a bunch of other manual mill, lathes, grinders, and saws.

I do all of our gauge calibration and standardization which is why I chimed in on this thread. I love playing with and talking about machine tools and metrology.
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Re: What micrometers do I need?
« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2010, 08:24:58 AM »
Really?!  You love it?!  I couldn't tell... ;)

Have fun with your new tools and thanks for the input!