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« on: November 12, 2010, 05:30:04 PM »
Took work off today to get this moving along.  I took the frame to a place that does powdercoating and I am having it blasted.  At $125/hr, I decided to do the swingarm and other odds and ends I had with me on my own.  I took them to the booth on base.  At a cost of $12/hr, I really didn't have any complaints...  until I saw the booth.  Nothing really wrong with the size, I could get my seat and swingarm in it just fine.  It was not being able to see through the glass that had me worried.  Guy says, "oh yeah, that plastic window broke and we don't have any more right now." So the put something that looked like wax paper on it making it virtually impossible to see through.  I soldiered on, but it made a quick blasting job into a nearly 2 hour adventure.  I should get the frame back Monday.  I sprayed the battery box, electrical box, and seat with this rust converter paint.  I didn't get a pictures of them yet.
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Re: I'm really serious this time... 75 CB550K
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2010, 05:31:00 PM »
continued...
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Re: I'm really serious this time... 75 CB550K
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2010, 10:29:39 AM »
youre going to want to remove the vin plate completely, they are riveted on ASWELL as glued on. so when they bake your powdercoat on all that glue/adhesive is gonna seep out onto your nice new pretty powder coating and screw it up!!

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Re: I'm really serious this time... 75 CB550K
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2010, 11:27:08 AM »
I was just having the powdercoat place blast it, no powdercoating.  I went with interlux boat paint.  Here's the seat with that rust converting primer stuff...
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Re: I'm really serious this time... 75 CB550K
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2010, 05:41:02 PM »
Front wheel befores and afters..  to this point
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Re: 75 CB550K Blasting stage...
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2010, 07:13:45 PM »
Got my frame back from the powercoating place today.  They did a blast on the frame for $43.  That's the last time I ever try chemically stripping a frame.  Having never seen a media blasted frame up close, I expected to see glimmering steel.  Perhaps even something worthy of just clearcoating and leaving alone (not that I'd do it but just so you have a visual of what I expected).  I was greeted by an extremely dull looking frame that I actually thought was primered.  It was clean though, I'll say that.  I got it home and wiped it down with acetone real good and got a coat of primer on it.  It appears much smoother now.  So now it's a matter of getting this stuff painted up and getting it off the floor on wheels.

*edit*  BTW, do you see where the tabs are that hold the inner fender in place?  Are mine backwards?  Should the two end tabs be on the bottom or top of the inner fender when mounted?
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Re: 75 CB550K: Blasting stage...
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2010, 05:50:20 AM »
Inner fender tabs appear correct. Two tabs on the bottom on the fender and one on the top.  So they pinch the plastic fender in place

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Re: 75 CB550K: Blasting stage...
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2010, 03:20:12 PM »
Two tabs on the bottom on the fender and one on the top.  So they pinch the plastic fender in place

If I understand that correctly, mine are backwards.  Mine would have two tabs on the top when I install the inner fender.  I want to change it before I start painting.....   ???
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Re: 75 CB550K: Blasting stage...
« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2010, 07:41:00 PM »
As long a one tab is on the other side from the others it locks in place, meaning the middle tab is on one side and the top and bottom tabs are on the other side of the liner.

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Re: 75 CB550K: Blasting stage...
« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2010, 08:11:42 PM »
Just checked mine, same as your picture, two on top, middle on underside.

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Re: 75 CB550K: Blasting stage...
« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2010, 08:21:26 PM »
Just checked mine, same as your picture, two on top, middle on underside.



excellent. thanks
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Re: 75 CB550K: Painting stage...
« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2010, 03:17:38 PM »
Did some painting today.  I'm no painter (as you will see).  I went at this stuff with a Harbor Freight HVLP spray gun I picked up a while back.  I had a tough time getting the right consistency.  It started off spraying little strings out.  Then towards the end of painting it came out really fast and thin but ran.  I attribuite this to not mixing the paint and thinner well.  I used Interlux black paint and Interlux 333 thinner (or whatever it is).  It was still wet when I took the photos...  

*edit* still trying to get clear photos...

crap...  I got to wait till they dry and get them on a white background...
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Re: 75 CB550K: Painting stage...
« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2010, 09:49:29 AM »
Couple photos.  I'm pretty happy with the first few things I sprayed yesterday.  Something was definitely amiss with the later stuff I painted though.  The first few things were very shiny and the last things (like the centerstand) much duller and runny.  I hit a few things this morning with a foam brush with paint right out of the can.  I hope to not see any brush tracks in it.  I'll give them a few hours to dry and see how they look compared to the first things I painted yesterday.
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Re: 75 CB550K: Painting stage...
« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2010, 03:00:36 PM »
The centerstand appears like it was painted "too dry".
Did you mix the paint well? Trip tree looks great.
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Re: 75 CB550K: Painting stage...
« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2010, 03:17:55 PM »
The centerstand appears like it was painted "too dry".
Did you mix the paint well? Trip tree looks great.

Yeah, I just suck at this.  It's almost like I blew all the paint out and had nothing but the thinner left as I went along.  My swingarm has little bumps where the paint ran and dried on the other side.  I added more paint to the thinner in my gun an it seems to have made a difference.  I keep sloshing it around now while painting.  I'll grind down and sand the bumps and hit it again.  This is why I saved the frame for last!
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Re: 75 CB550K: Painting stage...
« Reply #15 on: November 21, 2010, 04:21:10 PM »
It's not easy, everything has to be just right. Make sure it is 60+ degrees too.
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Re: 75 CB550K: Painting stage...
« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2010, 07:40:45 PM »
Some frame photos added.  Still struggling with the paint.  The thinner I get it the more glass smooth of an appearance I get.  But then I get runs...  I'm pretty satisfied with the frame at this point.  I got the rear wheel hardware (axle nut, chain tensioner, etc) along with the centerstand pivot shaft and other stuff soaking right now on B12.  Took the tip from Steve O and made sure the garage stayed semi warm while painting and drying.  I used a foam brush for some harder to reach places and at the end of painting when I tried to put on a real thin coat.  I'll let it cure for a (week?) and then get it off the ground. 
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Re: 75 CB550K: Painting stage...
« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2010, 07:42:59 PM »
Also hit up some chrome parts too.  Shocks, rear fender etc...

*edit*  Again, not planning on a show bike but (this time) I demand respectability!
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Re: 75 CB550K: Painting stage...
« Reply #18 on: November 28, 2010, 06:21:36 AM »
Looks good. Have you considered shooting a clear coat on your frame to help protect the paint?
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Re: 75 CB550K: Painting stage...
« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2010, 07:06:37 AM »
I wish you had posted your plans for this before you posted your results from having done this.  The very first thing I want to ask you is why you used boat paint on a motorcycle and the second is what did you use for primer under it?

On that Harbor Freight gun you are using, is it the purple one?  If so it might surprise you to find out that its actually not too bad a gun despite its amazingly inexpensive price.  You didn't say anything about how you have the gun set up and you didn't say anything about how your reduced your paint (its called Reducer, not Thinner) or with what.  So there's nothing that can be said to help you with your runs other than tell you how to set up a gun and reduce the paint when the proper materials are used.

OK, let's start with the gun.  First off somewhere on the gun's handle it probably tells you what inlet pressure is required to get 10 pounds pressure at the cap, if its not stamped in the gun get it from the manual or manufacturer's website.  This number is important but not necessarily the pressure you will use.  Get yourself a small regulator/pressure gage and put it at the gun's handle then with the trigger pulled back to allow air flow set the inlet pressure at the gun to what the manufacturer recommends.

Next, there will be two or three controls on the gun.  There may or may not be a control to let you adjust air pressure at the cap.  If your gun has this control it will either be at the bottom of the handle (Iwata style) or it will be on the side of the gun (Sata style).  Hold the gun's trigger back to allow air flow and adjust this knob tigher until the handle pressure increases, then back it out until the inlet air pressure stabilizes, and then readjust your inlet pressure to manufacturer's recommendation (probably around 20 pounds (1.3 atm)).  Your next two controls are fluid feed and fan control.  We'll start with the fluid needle.

The fluid needle really just controls how far back you can pull the trigger.  So first screw the adjustment needle all the way in (DO NOT overtighten it) and then holding your finger on the trigger to pull it back lightly unscrew the adjustment, while counting turns, to see how many turns it requires to take it full out.  Then set the fluid adjustment at the half way point.  Normally it will take about 4 turns from full in to full out.  This is just a starting point but its a safe one, set it here and you will probably not get runs, but you will also find yourself turning it out farther with time.  Many experienced painters (but not me) will run the wide open.

Finally you have a knob that adjusts your fan pattern.  For this one tape a length of masking paper to the wall and shoot a test blip.  By that I mean hold the gun about 8" back from the wall and very quickly blip the trigger open and close to shoot out a squirt of paint.  The pattern that sprays should be sort of cigar shaped but of about consistent width from top to bottom.  You should also have good atomization of the paint.  Here, by adjusting that last knob you should be able to get a good even coverage and fan width (set it to match the manufacturer's recommended width) suitable to the gun.  For most full sized guns that width will be about a foot, for touch up guns six to nine inches.  If you don't have good pattern or spray make minor adjustments to your inlet air pressure.

Next comes your paint.  Stick with a system.  By that I mean by the right paint for the job and then use the reducers and other amendments that the manufacturer suggests.  Do not mix one manufacturer's paint with another's reducer.  Once again, stick with a system.  As for automotive reducers; they come in different speeds to match your painting temperatures.  Also, virtually all automotive paint manufacturers have technical data sheets that will tell you exactly how to prep for the paint, how to mix it, what size gun to use, what the drying and recoat windows are, everything.  Read that sheet before you shoot.

And finally; if you want a really good paint job get advice from some real professionals.  While this is a great site for all things Honda-Four its not very good for refinishing information.  If I may suggest a web site where you will get immediate attention and no nonsense answers from extremely knowledgable professionals try this site:

http://www.autobody101.com/forums/

For others, the very best thing you can do with a freshly sandblasted frame is to immediately clean it and shoot it with two coats of a good quality epoxy primer.  Even if you had to thin it down with acetone and paint it on with a brush it would be better than not doing it and far far better than using any rattle-can primer.  By the way, that purple Harbor Freight gun is often recommended as a primer gun with a 1.7mm or so cap, but the best primer gun made (Iwata Gunza) only cost about a hundred bucks.
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Re: 75 CB550K: Painting stage...
« Reply #20 on: November 28, 2010, 08:10:36 AM »
Excellent advice Kong! Thanks for that and the link.. It will come in handy for future projects..

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Re: 75 CB550K: Painting stage...
« Reply #21 on: November 28, 2010, 08:31:54 AM »
Bookmarked.  Thanks, I have that purple gun in the box still awaiting my go at this.
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Re: 75 CB550K: Painting stage...
« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2010, 12:24:56 PM »
Sound advice Kong, thanks.  I do have that purple gun and I understand what and where the adjustments are that you describe.  I chose the boat paint because I saw a number of other folks here have success with it.  I didn't have the $$$ to powdercoat it but it was better than rattle can.  I did buy the Interlux 333 reducer with it so I'm sure that the issues I have aren't because of the product but because of the painter.  My next painting should be improved...
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Re: 75 CB550K: Painting stage...
« Reply #23 on: November 28, 2010, 04:46:05 PM »
Nice explanation Kong...I was trying to figure the best way to help him out...you did a better job for sure.
I remember when I first started  years ago...plug in the gun...crank up the air...spray whatever came out...right in the bright sunlight...I think I broke almost all the rules for a good paint job!!LOL
3yrs of apprenticing in my uncles body shop makes me look back and shake my head now...
reading directions and asking a reliable source is the best advice I can think of...and practice.
I like the cheapo guns...when they get crappy ya toss em and get another.
I got a sweet little setup from Husky for well under $100...

one pointer I can think of is: check the air hole in the cap of the gun..if it clogs it will screw your gun up...make sure the spray tip is screwed on tightly...and definately get a regulator at the gun so you can adjust the pressure at the gun.HTH

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Re: 75 CB550K: Painting stage...
« Reply #24 on: November 28, 2010, 05:46:12 PM »
Did some more work on the front rim...  I almost did something incredibly dumb with those 5 bolts that hold the disk on...  I'm not even going to say what it was...
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1973 CB350G
1975 CB550K
1983 GL650I
1973 CB750K3 (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=92888.0)
1984 Kawasaki KLT-250 (AKA 3 wheeler of death)
1994 Honda TRX300
1999 Honda TRX250