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A little tidbit from the latest WikiLeaks
« on: November 30, 2010, 04:43:23 PM »
The first one comes courtesy of WikiLeaks the others from various other sources.  Come to your own conclusions. :P

   When Afghanistan's vice president visited the United Arab Emirates last year, local authorities working with the Drug Enforcement Administration discovered that he was carrying $52 million in cash. With wry understatement, a cable from the American Embassy in Kabul called the money "a significant amount" that the official, Ahmed Zia Massoud, "was ultimately allowed to keep without revealing the money's origin or destination.
  
The U.S. is spending more than $2 billion a week in a country with a gross domestic product of about $14 billion a year

   The Wall Street Journal reported in June that more than $3 billion in cash has been openly flown out of Kabul International Airport in the past three years -- “packed into suitcases, piled onto pallets and loaded into airplanes.” Only so much of that could be drug money. The bulk, presumably, was skimmed from U.S. aid and logistics spending.
    And that’s just what people are declaring. The Journal calculated the $3 billion figure based on Afghan customs records.The actual amount of money flown out of the country is, of course, higher.  As the Journal noted: “One courier alone carried $2.3 billion between the second half of 2008 and the end of 2009.
 
An October report from the Senate Armed Services Committee came to the startling conclusion that the military’s hired guns are fueling the very insurgency the military is there to fight.  The Committee's inquiry uncovered evidence of private security contractors funneling U.S. taxpayers dollars to Afghan warlords and strongmen linked to murder, kidnapping, bribery as well as Taliban and other anti-Coalition activities.  The House Oversight Committee in June issued a massive report entitled "Warlord, Inc. Extortion and Corruption Along the U.S. Supply Chain in Afghanistan". The report culminated a six-month investigation into the Pentagon’s “Host Nation Trucking” (HNT) contract. It concluded that the $2.16 billion contract “fuels warlordism, extortion, and corruption, and it may be a significant source of funding for insurgents.”  The contractors and their trucking subcontractors pay tens of millions of dollars annually to local warlords across Afghanistan in exchange for “protection.” Protection payments for safe passage are a significant potential source of funding for the Taliban.

The New York Times reported in October 2009 that “Ahmed Wali Karzai, the brother of the Afghan president and a suspected player in the country’s booming illegal opium trade, gets regular payments from the Central Intelligence Agency, and has for much of the past eight years, according to current and former American officials.”

   The United States is now spending nearly half a billion dollars a year in an attempt to establish the “rule of law” in Afghanistan. But according to a November report from the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service, that may just be more money down the drain.
   Transparency International’s annual corruption index last month ranked Afghanistan the second most corrupt country in the world, behind only Somalia.



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Re: A little tidbit from the latest WikiLeaks
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2010, 10:00:44 PM »
Pales in comparison to the money absconded from Iraq. The governments of the world have used drug money for many years to fund most if not all of the black ops the politico's will not fund. Crossing the Rubicon is an interesting read if you want to get ticked off about drugs, oil and all the ways governments are screwing people over. Personally I would rather ride my bike, work with leather, practice my guitar and sit in my hot tub, than get myself ticked off every other day by the news or the latest garbage these power hungry people come up with. Now the latest is that Interpol has issued an APB on the owner of wiki leaks for child molestation and the US has a secret arrest warrant on him for espionage.

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Re: A little tidbit from the latest WikiLeaks
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2010, 11:19:35 PM »
The info I have is the sex charge stems from an encounter in Sweden with two adult women.  Supposedly started out consensually and halfway through it became non-consensual. ??? Sounds like an attempt to get him on something, anything.  I don't think they can get him on the document dump regardless of all the bloviating and posturing from certain members of the political class.  Sounds like the next target may be Bank of America.  They have a 5 gig hardrive full of sensitive documents, some exposing illegal and corrupt behavior in the banking system.  Shocking. ;D

Anyone see the leak about Muammer Gaddafi.  Seems he likes to travel in the company of a voluptuous Ukrainian woman.  Wouldn't we all.  ;D  
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Re: A little tidbit from the latest WikiLeaks
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2010, 11:56:50 PM »
Corruption in the Banking industry??  no way..... ::)
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Re: A little tidbit from the latest WikiLeaks
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2010, 01:29:03 AM »
How is this NOT political

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Re: A little tidbit from the latest WikiLeaks
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2010, 02:47:23 AM »
Well, while the subject matter may be politically oriented, it's not really a discussion...nobody's  attempting to argue a certain position either for or against...it's more like srust has merely informed us of a news article...personally, I think it's kind of interesting, but I wouldn't have searched out the information on my own cuz I really don't give a s*&^...it's not really news to me that the banking industry is rife with corruption, usury predates the Bible, nor is it a surprise that another third world country is taking unfair advantage of international aid, although these guys are a little more blatant about it and it seems to be more "accepted" than it has been in the past...business as usual so to speak....or that a third world dictator would seek the company of a voluptuous blonde, don't think anyone would argue against that   ;D   .....and it's no surprise either, that the people who's info was leaked would instigate a vendetta against the leaker, wouldn't surprise me if he ends up dead under mysterious circumstances, not unlike the guy that was about to expose the BCCS thing back in the 90s ...but again...no one is arguing either for or against any particular aspect of any of it
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Re: A little tidbit from the latest WikiLeaks
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2010, 04:43:20 AM »
 

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Re: A little tidbit from the latest WikiLeaks
« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2010, 06:12:35 AM »
I got the impression that the "not political" was a reference to what the governments are trying to use to get the guy, not that the thread is political or anything more than comments. I think it is kind of interesting the way the media publishes stuff trying to portray the public as simpletons, who do not already know that organizations around the world all do this kind of stuff. I agree that I too do not actively read up on these things but occasionally indulge for a good chuckle. Also on PBS last night Zeb or whatever his name is put out a theory that it was an intentional data dump that secret organizations from all over seeded with damaging info for their own agendas and the soldier and wiki leaks are just the fall guys, makes sense in a weird sot of way.
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Re: A little tidbit from the latest WikiLeaks
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2010, 06:47:51 AM »
How is this NOT political

Why do you care?? Dont read the thread  ::)

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Re: A little tidbit from the latest WikiLeaks
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2010, 09:32:57 AM »
Corruption in centralized government, well I never!!!!  ;D
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Re: A little tidbit from the latest WikiLeaks
« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2010, 12:12:12 PM »
http://www.slate.com/id/2276312/

Why I Love Wikileaks, Or Why Government Should Be Held Accountable For Their Actions.
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Re: A little tidbit from the latest WikiLeaks
« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2010, 03:13:13 PM »
That was a good article. Thanks.

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Re: A little tidbit from the latest WikiLeaks
« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2010, 04:23:33 PM »
I don't know if it just plain arrogance of Governments or not but they are making themselves look absolutely guilty and stupid by trying to stop all this, they are going as far as stopping servers form hosting and hacking the site.....They all must think we are completely stupid...
I think Assange will go missing......He should be commended for making them all more accountable if that actually happens.....

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Re: A little tidbit from the latest WikiLeaks
« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2010, 05:26:28 PM »
How is this NOT political

Oh no it's the thought police again.  I suppose to make you happy we should ban words like, government, Democrat, Republican, democracy, monarchy, dictator, vote, election, war, peace, deficit, taxes, military, terrorism, social security, welfare, talk radio, Glen Beck ;D, GDP, IRS, DMV, DOT, DNR, CIA, FBI, etc, etc......from the forum.  They are all "political" after all. Several people seemed interested in the info provided and that's all it was with a little humor thrown into the mix.  If it hurts your tender sensibilities to read something you don't like than just go away and play somewhere else.  You seem to be the one trying to stir up trouble so you can go whining to the moderators again.

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Re: A little tidbit from the latest WikiLeaks
« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2010, 12:57:02 AM »
I'm going back to sleep!!!

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Re: A little tidbit from the latest WikiLeaks
« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2010, 09:59:53 PM »
But this is not an Open Forum... Mr. Keith Turk holds the balance of power ( and will use it by whining to the mods.)... that's democracy in action...  :)... no politics/no religion... = evaporation of thread  :D
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Re: A little tidbit from the latest WikiLeaks
« Reply #16 on: December 02, 2010, 11:42:45 PM »
What I don't understand is why does Wikileaks decide to "dump" this information when a considerable amount of it is benign gossip.  Why not take stories like the one that srust58 opened with and actually do some serious investigative reporting?  Instead, the story becomes about the "dump," not about the content.  The content gets swept under the rug, American's grumble about it, and NOTHING is ever done about any of the corruption. 

Honestly, it's a little frustrating that Assange wants to be taken seriously in his work, but the bulk of his work gets reported as news bites such as, "Sarkozy is a 'thin-skinned, authoritarian' man prone to making 'impulsive proposals.'"  That's what's being reported, not the fact that we are funding a war and selling guns to people who are funding the people shooting at us.  I think Assange is a bit arrogant and self serving.  Instead of diplomatic gossip, blow some lids. 

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Re: A little tidbit from the latest WikiLeaks
« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2010, 08:32:06 AM »
I think it is called redirection of the public consciousness, the media reports it's news(?) to the lowest common denominator enough times and attention to the important stuff is diverted to the garbage. The government did it during the run up in Iraq, polls showed most Americans were convinced Saddam was directly responsible for 911. (Just 1 example)

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Re: A little tidbit from the latest WikiLeaks
« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2010, 09:51:58 AM »
I heard on the news earlier today that they had to move to new servers in response to denial of service attacks. The host couldn't handle the traffic. The new site, in Switzerland, was up and running earlier today, nice and snappy. Not anymore though. Safari is returning can't find it.
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« Reply #20 on: December 03, 2010, 10:21:19 AM »
Sprinkled that little puppy all over didn't they? The news report listed www.wikileaks.ch as its new home, worked OK initially.
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Re: A little tidbit from the latest WikiLeaks
« Reply #21 on: December 03, 2010, 01:46:12 PM »
Sprinkled that little puppy all over didn't they? The news report listed www.wikileaks.ch as its new home, worked OK initially.
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Re: A little tidbit from the latest WikiLeaks
« Reply #22 on: December 03, 2010, 01:59:35 PM »
What I don't understand is why does Wikileaks decide to "dump" this information when a considerable amount of it is benign gossip.  Why not take stories like the one that srust58 opened with and actually do some serious investigative reporting?  Instead, the story becomes about the "dump," not about the content.  The content gets swept under the rug, American's grumble about it, and NOTHING is ever done about any of the corruption. 

Honestly, it's a little frustrating that Assange wants to be taken seriously in his work, but the bulk of his work gets reported as news bites such as, "Sarkozy is a 'thin-skinned, authoritarian' man prone to making 'impulsive proposals.'"  That's what's being reported, not the fact that we are funding a war and selling guns to people who are funding the people shooting at us.  I think Assange is a bit arrogant and self serving.  Instead of diplomatic gossip, blow some lids. 

That's what the corporate news sites want to do Cold, boil the content down to the LCD to make it sound like a bunch of hooey and then the news blows over until Britney or Linsday get caught with some blow or Palin says something goofy again and they are on to the next news story.

24 hour corporate news cycle as usual- no real news about anything substantial.
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Re: A little tidbit from the latest WikiLeaks
« Reply #23 on: December 03, 2010, 02:17:57 PM »
Sprinkled that little puppy all over didn't they? The news report listed www.wikileaks.ch as its new home, worked OK initially.
That link is working for me Bob....

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Re: A little tidbit from the latest WikiLeaks
« Reply #24 on: December 03, 2010, 02:22:23 PM »
Sprinkled that little puppy all over didn't they? The news report listed www.wikileaks.ch as its new home, worked OK initially.
That link is working for me Bob....

Mick

So it is. There was a period of time when I got no response.

I think it is copping flack from all directions mate, wonder how long it will stay up now..?

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