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Offline Flying J

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Converting 6 volt to 12 volt.
« on: December 03, 2010, 09:05:19 pm »
Anybody know the details on switching my cl125 to a 12 volt setup?
Can i just throw on a regulator and rectifier from my 550 and a 12v battery?

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Re: Converting 6 volt to 12 volt.
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2010, 04:48:27 am »
From a 550?  No, because a 550 (and all the Honda SOHC4's) uses a field coil with a variable current to create more or less output from the stator windings.  Your CL125 (I'm assuming you mean the single, not the earlier twin) uses a permanent magnet rotor which, of course, cannot be varied.

There's an easy way, and a hard way to do the conversion.

The easy way is to simply swap in a 12-volt battery and change all the lightbulbs.  But, this won't charge well (at all...) at idle and low rpms.  It won't really do it until 4000 or better rpms.  I did this on a 1978 CM185T Twinstar commuter (which uses the nearly-identical overall system) and it worked perfectly for years.  But, my commute was 30 miles of 55 mph steady speed (7~8k rpms), with nearly zero stops.  So, my experience may be different.

The harder way is to swap in the stator from a CB350 twin (along with 12-volt battery and bulbs, of course).  I've never done this, but I've read several write-ups that says it's a bolt in.  The 350 stator has more winding wraps than the 6-volt singles, but apparently there is enough room inside the 125's stator case for the fit..  You'd also want to graft in the regulator (or an aftermarket version of that style) from the CB350.  The CL125 (and all the 6-volt Honda singles of that era) did not have a regulator at all, but just depended on a "matched" system (design output = design load).  As for a rectifier, any modern silicon single-phase, full-wave bridge rectifier will do.  That is, two AC inputs and two DC outputs (a + and a -).  You can buy such a thing for about 5 bucks online or at Radio Shack.  

The rectifier swap is ALWAYS a good thing because the early Honda rectifiers were selenium (the ones with the large orange plates) and selenium is not as efficient as silicon, and you can pick up some extra charging watts just by eliminating the selenium loss.  And, I"ve read that selenium, in addition to being less efficient right from the get-go, also degrades over time making them even WORSE.

The hardest (and best) is to rewind the CB350 stator to eliminate the "dual" charging windings for a single, continuous winding.  This improves stator output. All the rest is the same as above.  There are several good write-ups with pictures and details online here and there if you're interested.

And lastly, I've read that the later 70s (say, 77 ~ 79) rotors used stronger permanent magnets than the early 70s models, so if you install one of those later rotors on your early model, it boosts the output as well.

So, that's all I know about it.

Good luck, whichever route you pick...

Kirk
« Last Edit: December 04, 2010, 04:57:33 am by kirkn »

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Re: Converting 6 volt to 12 volt.
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2010, 08:01:56 am »
Thank you. That explains a lot. I may do the swap with the Batter first. I can run the bike w/o the headlight on so that would save a lot of juice. But il start cruising ebay for 350 rotors.

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Re: Converting 6 volt to 12 volt.
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2011, 05:19:23 pm »
I have a cb125s which had charging problems. I installed the Radioshack rectifier and it improved a lot. I thought about converting to 12v too, and found this tutorial.
http://www.sendspace.com/file/f4ukbg

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Re: Converting 6 volt to 12 volt.
« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2011, 05:31:58 pm »
What a crappy link.  It's all advertising content.
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Re: Converting 6 volt to 12 volt.
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2011, 02:49:48 am »
The usual advertising in these free upload web pages. Is it the first time that you see one of these? You don't have to buy all the things they advertise. Just go to the download link, if you try hard I'm sure you can do it.

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Re: Converting 6 volt to 12 volt.
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2011, 09:26:35 am »
The usual advertising in these free upload web pages. Is it the first time that you see one of these?
Far from usual, IMO.  You must really be advertising desensitized.
There is usually *some* hope of content you can see before they bombard with full page flashing pulsing adds.

You don't have to buy all the things they advertise. Just go to the download link, if you try hard I'm sure you can do it.

It's not free if it pokes me in the eyes.  It hides anything useful behind add pages that you have to dismiss before seeing anything of value.   And, I don't have to look at it either.  Far easier, quicker, and calming to just close the window and give the obtrusive perpetrators no satisfaction whatsoever.

Better yet, just ignore any links to www.sendspace.com and let the site die as it deserves.  Fu3K them.
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Re: Converting 6 volt to 12 volt.
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2011, 10:03:20 am »
If i were to ignore all the web pages with advertisings, I could not open any page, even this forum (look at the right of the window). You seem to know some pages to upload files free of advertisings. Could you share them with us?

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Re: Converting 6 volt to 12 volt.
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2011, 10:23:04 am »
you can get the download for free from here but you have to sign up as a member ( takes about a min). Or if you really want it Im sure i can email it to you. Just let me know.

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Re: Converting 6 volt to 12 volt.
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2011, 10:56:13 am »
I was just trying to help, share my knowledge, (free of invasive/aggressive advertising that has the attitude of a two year old stamping their feet to get attention... without getting my eyes poked out.)

I'll just let someone else deal with the thread topic.

If this site's advertising starts to look like www.sendspace.com.  I'm gone.
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