Finally got it!!!!! acetelene torch, a huge strap wrench to hold it and giant brass punch with a hammer!!!
so I heated it really hot, then sprayed the retainer with brake clean to cool just the retainer off and not the hub, then had my buddy hold the hub with a strap wrench while i beat it into submission. voila. now 4 beers later, i feel like i've really accomplished something.
thanks guys, i couldnt have done it without you,
Johnny law.