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New CL350 Project w/Questions
« on: May 21, 2011, 05:16:55 PM »
Well my Dad's friend brought down his 72 CL350 for me to work on and get started for him. I'm not an expect so this will more then likely be my "I need help with this/that" thread.

The bike was left with the carbs and pipes off. The carbs seem to be missing a few things I thought as I looked at a parts fiche (Bolts for some metal bracket that links the choke I think?). Or does that metal bracket just hang over that tab without anything to hold it on? If anybody can confirm this, that would be awesome. Here is a picture of the carbs:


Here is the parts fiche for the carbs:

I seem to be missing that one bolt and washer #8 (Pictured inside the bracket)

Anyway, this project just started. And already have some dilemma's. The bolts for the oil filter cover will NOT budge even with a impact wrench. The oil drain bolt is REALLY stripped and stuck on there so very tight. That wont seem to budge either. But I'll keep working at them.

Once/If this thing starts it'll be needing a whole bunch of new things. Here are a few pictures.  ;D



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Re: New CL350 Project w/Questions
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2011, 09:45:20 PM »
Does he want it restored? How thrashed are the carbs? I know you can get brand new mikuni carbs for a CL350 for under $300. Looks like its in pretty good condition to me. I have a CL on the side of my house that is way worse off. No tank or seat.... Someday.

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Re: New CL350 Project w/Questions
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2011, 02:26:03 PM »
Carbs seem to be in good shape, although once I got the carbs on one was leaking fuel out of the float bowl drain, so I guess I gotta pull em again and check the float height etc. I doubt he wants to spend the money on new carbs.

Anybody an expert on these CL350's?? It's a curious bike compared to my CB550. For example, it has this tube at the bottom of the tank I'm confused about. Pictured in this parts fiche as #29 and it connects to two ends on each side of the tank:



Is that the actual length of the tube pictured? If so, then it runs under the frame, meaning anytime you take the tank off, you have to disconnect that, meaning you have to drain the fuel. That just seems idiotic. Or is it much longer and run above the frame?

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« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2011, 04:49:10 PM »
I'm pretty sure you are correct that it runs under the frame. It keeps the fuel from getting stuck on the oposite side of the petcock. You may want to check over on the honda twins website for an expert.

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Re: New CL350 Project w/Questions
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2011, 05:21:22 PM »
I'm 99.9% sure it runs under the frame, too.  If it doesn't, then my bike is together all wrong. :D  One thing to look for if you keep overflowing is a cracked standpipe.  I know I'm stating the obvious but  when mine was cracked it was kind of hard to see the actual damage.  Wish I could help ya with the stuck and stripped oil plug and such.  PB blaster has always 'eventually' freed things but maybe try that and heat. 

oh and fwiw I am absolutely not an expert on these bikes, by any means.
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Re: New CL350 Project w/Questions
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2011, 06:38:49 PM »
That tube definitely goes under the frame-it is a crossover that brings the fuel to the side with the petcock.  The way to take the tank off without draining the fuel is clamp the hose with a set of forceps on one side and then  remove the hose from the other side and quickly put your finger over the stem outlet while lifting the tank.  You will lose a very small amount of gas, very little if you're fast enough. Are the rubber diaphragms for the carb slides in good condition? They usually get hard  and crack.  I have probably worked on several hundred 350s back in the day...Larry

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« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2011, 02:15:58 PM »
Thanks for the help. Well I'll leave that tube as is then. I'm going to pull the carbs today and inspect them real good, may be uploading some pics to get opinions on their condition.

Larry, I may be asking you more and more questions  :P

Such as, is the only way to get the side cover off and carbs out by pulling the exhaust? And, I seem to be missing that rod pictured below that holds the airboxes together. Anybody have one of those things used? I saw on ServiceHonda.com it was discontinued.



Also, frame # is CL350E-4066845 so that means 72?

Oh ya, and anybody have a oil drain bolt? This one is so shot, and that also is discontinued :(

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Re: New CL350 Project w/Questions
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2011, 02:55:20 PM »

Hey - nice bike.

The tube under the tank was put there because of the way the tank fits over the upper frame tube.  Unlike the tanks on much later bikes, the early twins' tanks have sides that sorta hang over the tube (you'll see when you take the tank off the bike) and without the tube, you can end up with a quarter of the tank of fuel you can't use 'cos it can't get from one side to the other - unless you lean the bike a long way over to one side.

I've got an SL350 and a CB450 and have given up trying to disconnect that tube with fuel in the tanks - no matter how careful you are, you'll spill some.  Easiest thing to do is this: as soon as you walk into your workshop/garage, get two long-ish bits of tubing with a diameter slightly larger than that of the fuel tubes and a plastic fuel can.  Make sure the fuel tap on the bike is set to 'off' and disconnect the fuel tubes from the carbs.  Put the fuel tubes into the larger tubes and the ends of those tubes into the fuel can which should be on the floor next to the bike.  Turn the fuel tap onto reserve and let the fuel drain while you get on and do something else (making sure the can doesn't overfill.  The tank'll be empty before you know it, and you can get it off cleanly.  And once it's off, you can give it a good look over inside, and pull, check over and clean the petcock filters that live inside the tank.  When you're done, put it all back together and pour the fuel back in.

With a CL, chances are you won't be able to get at the left hand air filter without the exhaust coming off.  It's a PITA, but it's not that hard to do.  Refitting the filters is very difficult if the rubbers that mount on the connecting tube (parts #2) come off with the filters.  Don't try to remount the filters without taking the rubbers off the filters and mounting them to the connecting tube first.  Sounds simple (it is), but it's a real tough job trying to mount them up with the rubbers attached to the air filters.

As for the connecting rod you're looking for, you'll end up spending way more than you need to if you want an original part.  If you're not too fussy about originality, get down to a hardware store and pick up some threaded rod and either dome nuts or nylocks, together with a couple of rubber and penny washers.  Cut the rod to the right length - you may find the part number gives the correct length 'cos the SL350 part number is 92000-06238, with the 06 meaning it's an 6mm (M6) rod that's 238mm long.  Once the rod's in the right place, put a rubber washer on each end, then the penny washer, then the nuts on the outsides.  That lot will do the job real well, and will cost a fraction of the original parts.

Hope some of that helps.


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« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2011, 04:25:07 PM »
Thanks for the help. Well I'll leave that tube as is then. I'm going to pull the carbs today and inspect them real good, may be uploading some pics to get opinions on their condition.

Larry, I may be asking you more and more questions  :P

Such as, is the only way to get the side cover off and carbs out by pulling the exhaust? And, I seem to be missing that rod pictured below that holds the airboxes together. Anybody have one of those things used? I saw on ServiceHonda.com it was discontinued.



Also, frame # is CL350E-4066845 so that means 72?

Oh ya, and anybody have a oil drain bolt? This one is so shot, and that also is discontinued :(


No problem with the questions. The chaffeur did an excellent job of responding to this post...Material he is referring to is usually called allthread at the hardware store...Larry

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« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2011, 04:39:48 PM »
Dave....check out www.hondatwins.net  There are a lot of air cleaner parts and 350 stuff on there. Good to see someone else working on a twin. I needed a change and am working on a 1975 CB360T. Below is a pic after hoodleyhoo and I pushed it out of a garage...sorry for the high jack, but check out the twins site. A lot of good stuff for you there as I found out too.
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« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2011, 04:19:52 PM »
Thanks for all the tips. I'll check out that site.

So there was a big 'ol crack in that pipe in the float bowl like mentioned. Pictured below...What can be used to seal it up? Any ideas?


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Re: New CL350 Project w/Questions
« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2011, 04:43:33 PM »
Well...  this I have some experience with, unfortunately.  Heatshrink doesn't work.  JB weld doesn't work.  You could maybe possibly try very very thin small fuel line (let us know how that goes)  I ended up having to get a new float bowl. :(
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« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2011, 04:57:13 PM »
I just got done trying to solder it with my torch and using silver solder lol...didn't work. It is copper right? The solder should have flowed in the crack but it just stiffened up instead. Tried adding more solder for the flux in it but did not work.

JB weld wont work? I was just about to go get some of it  :-\

Edit: Whoops, its brass. Maybe I can just use an electric soldering gun, etc?
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« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2011, 05:00:51 PM »
Ethanol eats JB weld.  When I tried it, the JB weld turned into a weird rubbery dough and fell off in grey o-rings.  The standpipe is brass, I think, and the problem is (as I understand it?) the rest of the aluminum body acts as a ginormous heat sink and keeps it from getting hot enough to accept solder.
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« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2011, 05:15:33 PM »
I used my jewelers torch and sterling silver solder on it. It actually kinda worked...Here is a picture:



I had it hot enough so the solder solidified...I read if it gets to hot it will distort the bowl? Or, would it ruin the aluminum? It already has kind of discolored.

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« Reply #16 on: May 24, 2011, 05:37:32 PM »
i dunno that, man.  Then again, if your only other recourse is buying a new one, you can't 'break' what's already broken, right?
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« Reply #17 on: May 24, 2011, 05:47:10 PM »
There is a product called Seal All that is supposedly fuel resistant.  anyone tried that?...Larry

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« Reply #18 on: May 24, 2011, 09:08:59 PM »
I have not heard of Seal All. Read on their website though its resistant to gasoline, so I guess I can give it a shot.

I wonder though...Would the solder you use with a soldering gun work with my torch easily? I think I might try it. That solder is a lot lower temp then the silver solder I tried using. So maybe it'll get a chance to flow better with the torch...
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« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2011, 08:01:40 PM »
I bought some Seal All, and have that on there now. Will test to see if it leaks later. I'm currently trying to figure out what the float height setting is supposed to be on this thing. One manual just says '19' and the other manual says nothing at all under the tech spec's.

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« Reply #20 on: May 25, 2011, 09:29:56 PM »
Well this seems like a perfectly improper way to wire things:





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« Reply #21 on: May 25, 2011, 10:02:20 PM »
I bought some Seal All, and have that on there now. Will test to see if it leaks later. I'm currently trying to figure out what the float height setting is supposed to be on this thing. One manual just says '19' and the other manual says nothing at all under the tech spec's.


Dave, I think you can download the Honda manual from this site...Larry

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« Reply #22 on: May 27, 2011, 08:57:06 PM »
Do you mean the carb manual? I got both service manuals.

So there is SOME good news. I got the bike started and ran it up the drive way and back. Now I'm working on changing the oil filter rotor and cleaning that out. I had to break off screws that held the filter cap on with an EZ-Out sadly, so I gotta find some more of those.  ($.62 a piece according to servicehonda.com)

BUT I got a question: Is there some way to remove that damn rotor without that special tool mentioned in the service manual?

Also, it said to remove some 6mm nut from the rotor cap, there was no nut there when i pulled the cover off...But it certainly looked like there was supposed to be one...ALTHOUGH nothing is pictured in the parts diagram  ???


6mm nut supposed to be holding the rotor cap on??


The rotor I cannot remove. How can you without the tool?

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« Reply #23 on: May 28, 2011, 04:53:40 AM »
Dave,  you really cannot remove without the special tool.  If there is a Honda dealer near you maybe they will spin it off for you.  You could maybe grind an old socket down so there will be four prongs that catch in the lock nut.

It seems you have the Honda service manual I was referring to.  The standard height for all CL's with stock carbs should be 19-that is according to the manual that came with my Honda float gauge...Larry

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« Reply #24 on: May 28, 2011, 03:01:42 PM »
Hmmm, if I removed the right side crank cover off would I be able to twist that thing off with my hands? I think I want to take it off to polish it anyway. Maybe I'll try. Also, maybe I could get some thick PVC pipe and notch it like how that Honda tool is supposed to be, then maybe twist it off.

How about that 6mm nut? I still have no clue if it is supposed to be in there, or not  :-\