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Offline Xeducatex

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76 cb400f: project basket case. Help!
« on: June 21, 2011, 11:34:59 AM »
Well my dad and his buddy both ended up getting  cb 400s back in the day and would race around town up through Ortega highway and get in all kinds of trouble. Turns out they both had kids about the same time......and their wives started to complain right around the same time so they disasembled their beloved CBs hopig to rebuild them and reclaim their glory..... one day when the kids are grown. Well my dads friend ended up losing a game of Russian roulett(or committed suicide, depends who u ask) and my dad had major kidney problems and was sick all the time until the past 2 years after he got his transplant. Well he's back to 100% but he is the laziest dick I know. He will never ever put those bikes together so it's up to me. Like i said thy have been sitting a long time And although everything is in decent shape it is choas. Nothing is labled or organized in any way. There are quite possible a few nuts and bolts also missing. I've done my fair share of mechanical work on trucks and other small engines but nothing major and the most complicated tasks are surely forgotten(weed:/).

I'm finally moving out and since one of the reasons that stopes me before was space, i figure there's no time like the present to start on the bikes. I'm not quite sure where to start tho? I think taking it slow and starting with things I know would be best. Paint the frame, clean everything up, start rebuilding the carbs are all things I could start for relatively cheap. Oh yeah btw I'm still broke so this build could be a looooong process. Anyway I need you guys to guide me through. Tell me the trouble signs and where to begin.

I want this bike to be 95% stock with only minor personal touches. I obviously have more then enough parts if something goes wrong but I need guidance real bad so I don't need to use those spare parts.

I will be adding pics soon ( I know, this thread is worthless). Until then please what are some tips guys? Anyone in the orange county area?

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Re: 76 cb400f: project basket case. Help!
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2011, 05:20:55 PM »
Xeducatex,

Welcome aboard. I was in way worse a starting position than you when I got my CB400F. No mechanic experience, a possibly stolen rust bucket of a bike and no money/tools.

But with a digital camera and this forum, I was able to learn and two years later, I couldn't be happier with my CB400F.

If you ever need any advice, just keep this project thread up to date and you'll find people are more than happy to help. Failing that, PM me.

Good luck,

Rick.

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Re: 76 cb400f: project basket case. Help!
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2011, 11:41:35 AM »
Well what's the best way to start Rick b? Just the little things like I mentioned or is there another route u would suggest?

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Re: 76 cb400f: project basket case. Help!
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2011, 12:59:09 PM »
Start from the frame up, and don't take on work that you don't have to - being a perfectionist can really slow you down when you are new to things.

Websites like cmsnl have parts diagrams that show how things go together, and you'll definitely want to download the manual - there's a thread on this site with manual downloads if you search for it. Also, look for other cb400f build threads. Other people have posted lots of pictures of bikes going together piece by piece. Search for them, bookmark them, read them and refer to those threads. That's what I'm doing!
'75 cb400f, '77 cb550f , CB160 road racer, '88 Hawk GT track bike, FZR400 race bike, and a bunch of old hondas in boxes.

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Re: 76 cb400f: project basket case. Help!
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2011, 01:37:02 PM »
Once you get the frame cleaned up, try to get the front forks and rear together and some tires on for a rolling chassis.

Having it rolling is a great motivator and helps for the general layout.
I have a cb400F that I bought home in tupporware containers from a buddy of mine...it was completely disassembled...so I'm almost in the same boat you are as well.
I'll be watching your thread and hopefully I'll get started on my cb400F so it might help you.

Good luck.
Eventually I'll get something that runs, but until then I'll wrench until I make it run.
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Also, another 'new' project 1975 Honda CB400F.

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Re: 76 cb400f: project basket case. Help!
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2011, 02:27:16 PM »
Xeducatex,

Well like I did. Get a cheap digital camera, a large memory card for it and take photos. Lot of them. Get a flickr account and start updating this thread with what you have, questions, plan of attack etc. That will really help you keep track of everything. Use this thread as your build diary. At least that's what I did.

If the bike is in pieces, start organizing parts into the different components. A lot of pieces are going to be foreign to you, so take photos and ask questions.

I would print off all the parts fiche (schematics/blueprints) for the CB400F over at CMSNL. Keep those in plastic protectors in a folder. I printed out all the 'pre tear-down' photos I took for reference, you might not have that luxury. I can provide mine if you're stuck in a certain area (like airbox or cable routing etc).

Buy a manual. Get both the Clymer and Haynes. Get a manufactures shop manual if you can too. You’ll need it.
 
A space to work in. You’ll be getting dirty and it could be in pieces for a while, so make sure you’ve got decent space. If you have a work bench, all the better. Some people build bikes in their apartment, so that isn’t an excuse.
 
Tools. These Honda's are all metric, from 8mm to the odd 20mm. I’ve really only needed a socket set, a torque wrench, a set of ring spanners (never use a shifter), a set of good phillips head screwdrivers, a bench grinder with wire cleaning wheel, a dremel tool, an impact driver for stuck bolts, an angle grinder, lots of WD-40, a heavy duty cleaning fluid (failing that, petrol), lots of various grits of sandpaper, a pile of rags and some cold beverages.

Then I would do as I did, strip the frame down, have it and everything else you can think off (indicator stems, handle bar clamps etc) sandblasted and powder coated in a semi-gloss black and start rebuilding.

I gave my engine to a mechanic because I knew I couldn't do it and knew it would take a long time. If you're doing the engine yourself, I'd start with that because you'll invariably have to send off things for engineering and that takes time. Before tearing it down, take tonnes of digital photos of everything. Once you get everything apart it could be months before it goes back together. Some people print out the photos in life size, stick them on cardboard then stick the bolts though the cardboard so they know exactly what goes where. I should have done that.

There are whole threads on rebuild engines (look for Jensen's on the CB400F). Basics like replacing cam chain, valves, cam shaft, valve springs, gaskets, oil seals, bearings, side covers. Get a Dyna S ignition and 3 or 5 ohm coils. Replace points cover if needed.
 
Suspension/forks. Start with front triple tree (install tapered roller bearings), rebuild front forks (polishing lowers), rear swingarm (install brass bushings and swingarm grease nipple), rebuild rear shocks or replace with replicas.

Then wheels. New spokes, sprocket, rims if needed. New tyres, bearings. Then rolling frame.

Then wiring harness. Get a repo from DSS (davidsilverspares.co.uk) and save yourself a lot of trouble shooting. Then airbox/battery area (use stock setup, forget pods, not worth the hassle). Make sure everything is sealed and not cracked. Mount regulator, rectifier other electronics.

Then lights and switch gear. Rebuild or replace switches, lenes and bulbs. Your headlight bucket will probably be cracked. Fix or replace.

'Tin wear' (tank and side covers). Pull dents out or repair. De rust and 'cream' tank if needed. Radiators places can do this for you cheaply or you can do it yourself. Repaint, apply decals and clear coat.

Seat. Reupholster original or source new pan, foam and cover. Or build your own seat as many have done.

Pipes. Find a good set of originals. They are the unique feature of this bike and 'make' the look. DSS sell repos but they aren't as good in my opinion but will do if you can't find originals in good condition (hard to find cheap these days).

Battery. Get a sealed unit and save your chrome from an overflowing battery (as happened to me).

Petrol. Use only premium and try to find one without ethanol as everyone has a horror story about it. Personally, I haven't risked it.

Start her up and enjoy.

Rick.
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Re: 76 cb400f: project basket case. Help!
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2011, 02:32:34 PM »
Hey thanks guys. I'm only 6 pages in on Ricks build thread and I pray I only have half the issues. I'm hoping my dad loved his bike as much as he says he did cuz I feel I will be in good shape if he did. He says they ran great when they took them apart so I'm hoping it's more of a assembly thread than a build thread for me. And I have more than enough parts. I checked them out yesterday.....3 frames 2 tanks, something like 8 wheels, I saw one mostly complete engine and one half way taken apart. It was dark and there was alot of other stuff so I need to get in there again. If my memory serves me correctly there should be three engines in total.... My dads, his buddies, and a parts bike they had. Also I may be willing to sell some parts I have extra of for cash or trade of service if ur a mechanic.

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Re: 76 cb400f: project basket case. Help!
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2011, 02:44:57 PM »
Wow Rick very informative thanks. That gives me some direction. Little sidenote on my last post my dad also has a set of handbent yoshimura pipes up in his closet. I only know this because thy are so prized to him. He told me they were his friend with the other cb and it took forever to get them and they were like their baby