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Offline vance

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Modular helmets vs. standard full face
« on: July 09, 2011, 05:30:13 AM »
Has anyone heard of or experienced issues with chinbars coming open on modular helmets during crashes? I have a modular Nolan but I became concerned about how sturdy the chinbar is or isn't and went to a standard full face. Valid concern or just paranoid?
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Re: Modular helmets vs. standard full face
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2011, 05:51:22 AM »
I bought one of the modular "fighter pilot" style helmets last year. Mostly just out of novelty because I thought it was cool that you can flip up the face while riding but still have the flip down lens. Turns out that while riding if you try to hit the chin button and try to slam the chin up...it jerks your head pretty hard. bla.

I found an Icon Alliance SSR helmet and will praise it all day long. Worth every penny. Plenty of vents, removable inside.

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Re: Modular helmets vs. standard full face
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2011, 06:53:34 AM »
owned both
still prefer the full wrap
the difference between just lifting the face shield or just the lense didn't matter
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Re: Modular helmets vs. standard full face
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2011, 07:14:06 AM »
ive had a couple of schuberth flip front helmets and they seem to be very strong . destroyed one in a crash and was impressed enough to go and buy another . when the front is locked down its much the same as a normal full face helmet

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Re: Modular helmets vs. standard full face
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2011, 09:01:52 AM »
Structurally the full faced helmet with the non-moving parts (beside visor) will be stronger than the movable jaw helmet. Withe the kinds of incredible forces you could subject a helmet to with a highway speed full frontal collision I would rather take my chances with the non-modular helmet.
 
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Re: Modular helmets vs. standard full face
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2011, 12:43:40 PM »
That is all supposition though. A good modular can take a very hard hit and not pop open. Many have eps on the chinbar too.
Modulars have 2 main cons. Heavier weight and sometimes more wind noise.
I have to look again but I think I came across modulars that were even ECE rated. Thats pretty damn good.

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Re: Modular helmets vs. standard full face
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2011, 01:53:02 PM »
Look closely at the latching mechanism.  When I was in the market for a new helmet a couple of years ago I started looking at modulars, but the only ones I found that didn't have flimsy, plastic latches cost an arm and a leg.  So I ended up sticking with the regular full-face. 

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Re: Modular helmets vs. standard full face
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2011, 01:54:55 PM »
Structurally the full faced helmet with the non-moving parts (beside visor) will be stronger than the movable jaw helmet. Withe the kinds of incredible forces you could subject a helmet to with a highway speed full frontal collision I would rather take my chances with the non-modular helmet.
 

this is true but the fragile thing is your head , the force needed to break open the chin bar on my helmet would have killed the wearer anyway . skunk stripe have a look at the schuberths  they are very light and very quiet , unfortunately they are also pretty expensive . must admit i find them much more practical than a conventional helmet

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Re: Modular helmets vs. standard full face
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2011, 04:50:41 PM »
I prefer full face helmets but my brother in law who I ride with a lot swears by flip up helmets. A lot of the time he and his wife ride with the fronts up, mainly in warm weather I might add. I've always thought though that in the event he came off he wouldn't have time to flip the front down plus the front being up would possibly allow it to grab onto something as it slid along the road forcing the head back and probably breaking the neck.

Another thing he likes to do is pass me whilst drinking a cup of tea, just to gloat about the fact he can do this and I can't. Personally I'll play safe and drink when I stop but then again he is a Gold Wing rider and that explains a lot  :)

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Re: Modular helmets vs. standard full face
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2011, 05:23:08 PM »
I've worn both.  I owned an HJC flip-up. I took good care of it, always kept it in a helmet bag, always set it on the ground rather than the bike (never had a helmet fall off the ground).  One day, while stored in a fleece lined helmet bag, it fell off of the shelf in the garage about 5' to the floor.  The chin guard cracked.  I sent it into HJC, and they did not seem surprised.  They offered charge me to repair the helmet.  I bought a Shoei flip up instead.

The Shoei cost more than the HJC, but it is obviously better made, much stronger with a better latch.  It fits better and is quieter, though not as quiet as a full face.  But I wear ear plugs, so noise is not much of a factor.

I trust the Shoei with my life.  I can's say the same for the HJC. 

Why do I wear a flip up? 

1) It's easier to get on and off with glasses.

2) On hot days at stop lights, I sometimes open it. 

3) Store clerks might worry when you come into a store wearing a full face helmet - they think you might be using it as a mask.  When I'm just running into a store for a minute I just flip it up. 

4) Finally, I sometimes listen to my iPod on long rides.  I've modified head sets with ear plugs, and I find I'm a lot less likely to pull the ear plugs out as I put on the helmet.
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Re: Modular helmets vs. standard full face
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2011, 07:07:55 PM »
My experience is the modular did not hold up for a full
2 year-round wear in Vermont. It broke.

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Re: Modular helmets vs. standard full face
« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2011, 07:52:11 PM »
I was told that some modulars still force u to take off your glasses when you flip up and down.
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Re: Modular helmets vs. standard full face
« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2011, 11:08:44 PM »
Nope. I can flip up and down all day long and never need to remove sunglasses.
The cheap modulars were made with plastic hooks but the good ones are metal and very strong.
These guys seem to do a very good average rider testing on lids.
http://www.webbikeworld.com/motorcycle-helmets/motorcycle-helmets.htm

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Re: Modular helmets vs. standard full face
« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2011, 12:10:57 AM »
That is all supposition though. A good modular can take a very hard hit and not pop open. Many have eps on the chinbar too.
Modulars have 2 main cons. Heavier weight and sometimes more wind noise.
I have to look again but I think I came across modulars that were even ECE rated. Thats pretty damn good.

No supposition involved, I have studied structures, when you add more parts (and make them movable) to the same sized structure, it is weaker than the one that is one whole piece.
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Re: Modular helmets vs. standard full face
« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2011, 07:00:49 AM »
Yes it can be but if you get a good quality modular, it will take anything a full can that you can dish out. By the time the chinbar may fail, most likely the crash is severe enough it will not matter. Read up on the new modulars, if you keep an open mind about them, you may be surprised.

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Re: Modular helmets vs. standard full face
« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2011, 06:20:43 AM »
I had a cheap flip up that was ok. It was pretty bulky in size, kinda loud, and the view was somewhat limited compared to a better helmet. Now I ride with an Arai regular full face helmet. I love it! The Arai's view is so much wider, it's not bulky, and it's way quieter. I'm sure that I could find a better quality flip up that I may like, but I still don't think I'd find one that I would like better than my full face. I just need to get a bluetooth deal so I can talk to other riders and all that good stuff.

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Re: Modular helmets vs. standard full face
« Reply #16 on: July 11, 2011, 09:02:41 AM »
I got an HJC that has metal locks; some have plastic! Never had it come open but that sucker weighs a ton! Gives me bad neck ache after a while so gone back to a standard design.