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Re: Tail or the Dragon 2012 - Bucket List
« Reply #25 on: November 24, 2011, 07:44:20 AM »
Its always easy to take pot shots at the king. The Dragon is more than a road, its a legend. So sure other roads may come and go in popularity contests as being "better". But as a bucket list item, the Dragon has its place...at the top. You ride a motorcycle, you have to go.

Thanks MCRider

I’m of that opinion too. There are just some things you’ve gotta do if you ride. Another is Sturgis. Would have been better before it got crazy popular too, but that can’t be changed can it?

If you look at the “Top 15 motorcycle roads according to AMA members”,  Blue Ridge Parkway, North Carolina is number 2, and a must do if in the area of the Dragon.

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« Reply #26 on: November 24, 2011, 07:46:33 PM »
Hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving in whatever way they wanted to celebrate it. We had early dinner with family and later dinner with friends. I ran the treadmill early this morning and managed to not overeat, and the wife and i had a great time.

FJ: The open expanse routes like out West, and the people events like Sturgis, and the machine events like Deals Gap (Dragon) all have their places. If someone was to put a photograph of your beautiful cafe on the table with a photograph of the Gap and a photograph of one of those beautiful routes out west (I've been on several of them, too), and said which routes go with this bike... it'd be real hard not to pair up your bike with the Gap.  Your bike DESERVES to go to the Gap.

One thing about the Gap (It was Deal's Gap long before the nickname of the Dragoon came along, and that's how i know it.)  to realize. we often say "its not the destination, its the ride. In the case of the Gap, it fulfills both the destination and the ride. Once there (hope you stay at the Motel or camp) you unload, from a trailer, or unload your gear from riding to the Gap, and go back out to the Dragon. Once ridden in one direction, you turn around and ride back. Hopefully you haven't scared yourself. Along the way in both directions, you pull off at the overlooks, and compare notes with other riders from all over the country/world. Sure you don't get the panoramas, those are thousands of miles away in the Rockies, though some views are awful nice, but that's not what it is for. Probably 90% of the recreational riders in the country, excepting California, live within 500 miles of the Gap. I'm about 375 from it.  It is truly unique. There is no other place like it in the WORLD.  (I may be way off on the statistics, but you get my meaning)

Many people go once or twice or more each year, every year. You won't want to leave. Sure you can have some bad experiences, maybe get caught in some traffic. Don't let that deter you.

My 650 HawkGT would be most like your bike, in size, performance, and joy. You don't need monster brakes to pull you down from triple digit speeds, you won't be going that fast. You'll need a light touch, finesse, throttle smoothness, feel that front end really working, and the rear. You'll get into a rhythm, a "zone" like athletes get into with only one thing on your mind, make that turn just right. Feel the turn in, feel the accell away. When I went on the Hawk, I rode it 4 times in one day, and 2 times the next, before i had to head for home. In the meantime, I'd ridden at least 250 more miles of the Skyways around there to relax, and the Blue Ridge is near as well, though i didn't ride it that trip on the Hawk. (Though I've done the whole 400+ miles once and a shorter section another time.)
The Smokie Mountain State park is near with a 60 mile rode thru its center in the ... Smokey Mountains.
At the Gap, you will be able to go faster than it is safe to go. (Not so on the Blue Ridge Parkway though, FYI. It is a National Park and the speed limit is slower than you may want to go, but enforced.)

If you ride it 4 times in a day, you will be fatigued and ready to rest and review how your riding skills can be improved. Its simply not the same experience as a panoramic, out West type ride. Not apples and oranges, more like apples and drywall.

I hope everyone gets to ride the wide open, curvy as they may be, stuff out West, the Sturgis type rallies if they want (not for me) and absolutely Deal's Gap and surrounding territory during their tenure in the sport.

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Re: Tail or the Dragon 2012 - Bucket List
« Reply #27 on: November 24, 2011, 10:27:34 PM »
I went for the first time this year on labor day weekend (first week of September) we used 4 days, unfortunately it rained 2 full days. we got caught in the rain twice for a total of about 200 miles in a driving rain and still had a blast.

I only made one trip through deals gap due to timing and rain but we spent a lot of time riding in the park in Tennessee and North Carolina. lots of wonderful places to ride, see and people to meet

 we stayed at a very nice hotel in pigeon forge this year but We already have three rooms reserved at the Deals gap Inn for next Labor day weekend. each room sleeps 6. the biggest draw back to this is the lack of places it eat, so this year we plan on taking a grill, several days worth of food and prepping most of our meals.

I rode the 75 550F and it was flawless, (except the fuse block problem) I was with a group of 8 guys, all the others were on modern bikes and I had no problems keeping up or with performance and my last modern street bike was a ZX10. most riders could not manage to average the speed limit the entire length of deals gap.

I guess the bike did lean out and get a little rough at some of the higher elevations in NC.

It is a must do, I had never taken a vacation of any sort without the wife, of 23 years I might add. it did cause a little friction, but she ended up spending the weekend shopping with one of the wives of a guy that I went with, who just happened to be her cousin. both parties decided it was a good time and its on again for next year. make it for the first week of september and we may have room.





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« Reply #28 on: November 25, 2011, 06:13:23 AM »
Here is a link to Killboy.com.  http://killboy.blogspot.com/
They are one of the photographers that are always some where on the Dragon taking pictures.
They usually update the highlights page every week or so.

The picture below is of the dam that was in the movie "The Fugitive", with Harrison Ford.
It is just down the road about 2 miles from the Deals Gap Store.
The Dragon is a cool little stretch of road, but there really isn't any bad roads in that area.

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« Reply #29 on: November 25, 2011, 06:21:49 AM »
 it sounds a lot like Sturgis...if you went years ago..its just not the same today..

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« Reply #30 on: November 28, 2011, 03:22:00 PM »
OK.
 
Everyone posted some very helpful comments, (especially MCRider) but no actual route suggestions for riding from Toronto to Deals Gap., so I’m gonna trailer with one of the other riders. Probably better given the weather uncertainty in May anyway.

It seems that Deals Gap “Tail of the Dragon” isn’t about riding a road, but more of a cultural phenomenon that unless experienced, is misunderstood……….. so the Tail of the Dragon it is!

Email quotes from two of the riders attending.

The roads down there (my fav's are in Kentucky) are linked, banked, baby bum smooth, and literally never ending... You get exhausted from side to side to side to side... Switchbacks to high speed slaloms...

Anyway, you'll love it... Get ready to get addicted... I have never seen roads like this...

And the local folks Love You, because yer saving there economy since the Coal Mines shut down...

Everyone loves motorcyclists... Nirvana!

We will be staying in NC... but in a single day we will do the roads in NC, Tennessee, and Kentucky... For me, Kentucky are the best roads... but, that said, you really cannot go wrong... at the end of the day, you are knackered.


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« Reply #31 on: November 28, 2011, 05:43:18 PM »
The Dagon is a must if you live in the eastern US.  Beartooth in the west along with the PCH.  The dragon can be slow, but it is so cool.  Good pavement, plenty of turn-offs.  I second the Killboy site.  Visit it often.  Read his stuff and you will get a great idea of what the short little road is all about.  Then buy his pictures as they are the best .

While you are down there, you are going to find so many good roads.  Do not miss the Blueridge Parkway or the Cherohala Skyway.  Absolutely beautiful.  If you need a place to stay, try the Kero Mountain Resort just south of Pigeon Forge.  Ran by a couple of ladies that will get you your own cabin, full kitchen and brownies to boot.  Very, very reasonable.  Honeymoon and 20th anniversary.

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« Reply #32 on: December 20, 2011, 06:47:26 PM »
And especially, DON'T feed the bears... four wheeled or four legged.

Hwy 221/321 from Boone, NC to Bristol, TN is a fun twisty road with lots of scenery that's beautiful. If you want to schedule it with a race at Bristol on the high-banked-oval or at "Thunder Valley" drag strip...if that is also of any interest. I grew up in NE Tennessee about 15 miles from Bristol's raceway and every race weekend was noisy with lots of race-fans.

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« Reply #33 on: December 20, 2011, 07:22:22 PM »
Definitely do the Dragon, but don't miss the Cherohala Skyway nearby and ride the section of Blue Ridge Parkway from Cherokee, NC to Mt. Mitchell State Park.  Not sure of your route, but some good roads in West Virginia as well.

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« Reply #34 on: December 21, 2011, 10:59:19 AM »
I go to the gap every year.  I go the first couple of weeks in June.  I prefere to stay at Fontana, but places 28 are nice as well.  I seriously suggest spending an entire week there.  I make my runs of the gap early in the morning to avoid the crowds and police.  I would say I am done with my runs around 10am or so and then I head off to other roads.  Definately hit the Cherohala and take it all the way to Tellico PLains.  Great ride.  Make sure you hit Bald River Falls on the way back.  The water is cold and clear.  Also on the way back look for and pay attention to the markings on the road.  When it says slow down...do so.  That corner has snuck up on a lot of riders.

Make sure you look up Bridal Veil Falls.  That is an awesome ride to get there.  If you continue South after the falls you will come to a town called Highlands.  There are a number of good places to grab a bite to eat and relax before the ride back.  From Highlands you can also continue down 28 South for a while.  You will end up in Georgia, but it is a nice ride.

Don't forget to take a ride through the Blue Ridge Parkway.  I like the route that eventually kicks you out onto US 19.  From there I head into the old part of Waynesville for food.  There is a little sandwich shop on Main St. that has some great food.  From the window it looks like a bakery (they have some amazing baked goodies as well), but in the back part there is the sandwich shop.

Who ever said the Gap is just a bunch of slow turns is crazy.  Can you take them slow...certainly but you can also take them quite fast.  Fast or slow they can and will challenge your skills.

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« Reply #35 on: December 22, 2011, 07:00:05 AM »
Here's an idea of the Tail of the Dragon ridden bhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nrMQ3QwyPoy a PRO

 Turn your volume up and you'll hear the sportbike scraping trying to keep up

Every june our group camps at The Riders Roost in Ferguson,NC. ALL of the roads in the Blueridge area are #1 for riding and the PARKWAY speed limit is 45, if you go during the week all the LOOKYLUES won't be out and you can easily run 60. I live an hour from the BRP and I think all the troopers hangout around the DRAGON cause as many times as I've been there I've only seen a couple.

Be sure to ride like you are alone because if you are trying to out do someone (especially a BRIGHT YELLOW GOLDWING) you'll get out of the groove and slide.

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« Reply #36 on: December 23, 2011, 07:57:01 AM »
Definitely do the Dragon, but don't miss the Cherohala Skyway nearby
+ 1     I would have your bike shipped or trailered that way you wont be fatigued when you get there and can really enjoy the roads... i spent a week there this summer and did 1200 miles in the area.. my uncle gives tours in the area..... http://www.georgiabearmotorcycletours.com/
 my suggestion would be to pick up a map of the motorcycle touring roads ... theyre really well marked and easy to navigate....and to see if my uncle could show you some stuff off the beaten path... there are a lot of cool roads as well as some awesome waterfalls..... there was a town in georgia with in an hour or two of the tail called helena.... the whole town is done up like a village out of the german alps...
 i would have like to spend more time at deals gap just checking out the bikes coming through

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Re: Tail or the Dragon 2012 - Bucket List
« Reply #37 on: December 27, 2011, 08:48:52 AM »
Riding the Dragon in the rain isn't all that bad.  At least you know the road will be clear of other riders  :D

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« Reply #38 on: December 27, 2011, 10:44:42 AM »
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« Reply #39 on: December 27, 2011, 11:15:27 AM »

You get exhausted from side to side to side to side... Switchbacks to high speed slaloms...

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« Reply #40 on: February 15, 2012, 09:33:29 PM »
o, as winter ticks away, my “Tail of the Dragon 2012 - Bucket List” trip is starting to require a bit more planning. My good friend Keith any I will be trailering our bikes from Toronto to North Carolina for a week in May. This is the trip of a lifetime for a fella that lives on the wetcoast of Canada and I need a bit of help to pull it off without a hitch.

We are looking to rent an enclosed two motorcycle trailer for about a week in May.
If anyone has one to help out or know a friend that does, I’d appreciate a note.

BTW, thanks to everyone for the excellent recommendations and encouragement.

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« Reply #41 on: February 16, 2012, 03:59:24 AM »
Contact these guys http://www.haulyourchrome.com/ they will fit you up with what you need, however I don't know why you are trailering to N.C.  I have made the ride from Toronto to Deals Gap five times now in either May or June, two days and you are there easy-peezy or one hard ride and one sorry ass and you can make it in a day.  Everytime I have stayed at the Jameson Inn in Alcoa which is a 20 min ride to the Tail.

I have taken I75, or I79 or backroaded taking the 219 to get there, the latter was the most fun, better scenery.  Didn't like the Blue Ridge that much though, I only get 180 kms before reserve on my Roadie custom and there aren't any gas stations on the Ridge so you have to jump off along the way to get gas.  Not relaxing if you don't know where the gas stations hide. 

There are hundreds of equally challenging roads in the Deals Gap area to keep you on your toes, one I would stay away from is the Devils Triangle.  An unmanaged road used by coal trucks with some crazy greasy dust all over it, yeah it bit me totally by surprise.  And there is no cell reception in those hills...


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« Reply #42 on: February 16, 2012, 04:15:44 AM »
I'm thinking GZ 2.0 might appreciate it come late September. Considering hooking up at the "Tail end" of this year's relay far enough North to complete the trek to Florida via Deals gap and Six gaps!  8)

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Re: Tail or the Dragon 2012 - Bucket List - NEED Trailer
« Reply #43 on: February 18, 2012, 11:15:17 AM »
I have made the ride from Toronto to Deals Gap five times now in either May or June, two days and you are there easy-peezy or one hard ride and one sorry ass and you can make it in a day.  Everytime I have stayed at the Jameson Inn in Alcoa which is a 20 min ride to the Tail.

I have taken I75, or I79 or backroaded taking the 219 to get there, the latter was the most fun, better scenery.  Didn't like the Blue Ridge that much though, I only get 180 kms before reserve on my Roadie custom and there aren't any gas stations on the Ridge so you have to jump off along the way to get gas.  Not relaxing if you don't know where the gas stations hide. 

There are hundreds of equally challenging roads in the Deals Gap area to keep you on your toes, one I would stay away from is the Devils Triangle.  An unmanaged road used by coal trucks with some crazy greasy dust all over it, yeah it bit me totally by surprise.  And there is no cell reception in those hills...

Thanks for the suggestion and encouraging comments. I wish I had the time to ride from Toronto to NC, but we only have a week and want to get as much of the area roads in as possible. That and the fact that I can’t bear the thought of riding a Ducati 999R for 1435KM in a two day blitz to North Carolina and then back again when we could ne riding Grade A twisties.

BTW, we rented a house in Robbinsville NC and that county is a dry county so we need that additional capacity of a trailer to bring the kegs with us.   ;D

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« Reply #44 on: February 18, 2012, 11:46:18 AM »
Jimmy try the BCCLASSIC forum for a trailer rental..

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« Reply #45 on: February 18, 2012, 12:47:05 PM »
I found this scary video the other day.
Better keep both eyes open.

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« Reply #46 on: February 18, 2012, 01:05:31 PM »
Everything that video says is true. But there is another story. Which is the bigger story but not near as newsworthy.

And that is the vast majority of people who go to the Dragon are there for a challenging, but pleasant experience. Its all in your right hand. Take it easy especially the first time. Plan on just scouting it out first time. Then chill at the end. Regain your composure, turn around and do it again.

It is really fun.  But its up to the individual to be aware. I would like to knowthe stats oon how many crashes and deaths occur to the first timers who are pushing too hard?

Doesn't really matter though. Just don't be one of those stats.

Now the semis... that's a different story. It may be worse now than when i was there last. But I've made at least 12 passes and never encountered one. Though I've seen them when I was pulled over.

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Re: Tail or the Dragon 2012 - Bucket List - NEED Trailer
« Reply #47 on: February 22, 2012, 08:47:51 PM »
Are there plenty of places to pull over and rest? Not sure my riding buddy has the stamina or focus he used to.
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Re: Tail or the Dragon 2012 - Bucket List - NEED Trailer
« Reply #48 on: February 22, 2012, 08:55:16 PM »
Well... it's only 11 miles of twisties.....but yeah, places to pull-over and watch other bikes zoom by are available, some but not loads....
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Re: Tail or the Dragon 2012 - Bucket List - NEED Trailer
« Reply #49 on: February 23, 2012, 03:31:02 AM »
Are there plenty of places to pull over and rest? Not sure my riding buddy has the stamina or focus he used to.
The last time I was down there, laborday weekend, bikes were lined up about 20 feet apart start to finish with a top speed of about 20-30 MPH, but  we were staying in severeville about 45min away. We never got there early a.m. and it rain in the afternoon all three days we were there. I don't really mind riding in the rain but Im pretty sure 4 of the 8 bikes in our group had ever been wet.