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Carb Dating
« on: May 30, 2006, 06:18:20 AM »
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Some previous owner of my '72 CB750 replaced the original stock '72 carbs with carbs from .... a '75 ???  I am unsure of the year and would like to make a positive identification before I begin to rebuild the carbs.  I plan to snap a digital picture of them and post it on this forum.  In the mean time, is there a reference source that I can search which can help me identify the carbs?  Thanks.  Hope everyone had a fun and safe Memorial Day.  God Bless our fallen Vets.
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Re: Carb Dating
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2006, 06:56:49 AM »
Here is a picture of the engine.  You can get a side view of the carbs.  They may actually be off of a '78 CB750.  I am still unsure.  Any help?

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Re: Carb Dating
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2006, 07:25:47 AM »
  This should help you out.  http://www.hondachopper.com/carb.specs.html

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Re: Carb Dating
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2006, 07:37:12 AM »
Mick,

Yes, that does help.  I found the same thing about 30 minutes before you replied to my post.  Thanks.  I need to check out the casting # on my carbs.
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Re: Carb Dating
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2006, 07:47:45 AM »
Well the looked like the carbs from a 77-78 but the kicker was in the way just enough. I think the 78 carbs are pd47b I think but i cant remember for sure.
The difference between the 77 and 78 carbs are simple. the 77 has slots on its needle like the earlier carbs, the 78 does not.
the 77 also uses a 115 main jet(I think) the 78 uses 110 mains.

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Re: Carb Dating
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2006, 06:44:11 AM »
Carbs dated:  My carbs are from a '78 model CB750K they number PD42BWPE.

My next question is:  Are these carbs "better" than the stock '72 carbs?  Do they offer better performance and simpler adjustment?  Thanks.
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Re: Carb Dating
« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2006, 09:23:47 AM »
Performance means different things to different people.  Please, supply your definition.

The bore size for all the 750 carbs is 28mm.  So, they all flow the same amount of air, and have the same power capability.

The carbs with accelerator pumps have the cabability to run at better economy as they can run leaner in the low ranges, and still provide good engine pick up from low speed.

Parts for the 77/78 carbs are harder to find than with earlier carbs.  These carbs require more creativity to make work around the limitations of press in slow jets, and lack of needle height adjustment on some of them.  They also have an accelerator pump that adds mechanical complexity.

The older carbs run richer overall to get throttle response.  In that sense they can be described as "sloppier".  More of these types were made so parts are easier to find.  Slow jets are screw in and needles can be found with different tapers and adjustment height options.

Assuming they are both properly tuned to the bike's engine, intake and exhaust characteristics, at wide open throttle, neither carb will show an advantage.  For overall street driveability, economy, and twist grip responsiveness, the 77/78 carbs ought to have the advantage.
Some might call this a performance advantage.

Others might say that the "sloppiness" of the older carbs, gets their engine running "well enough" for them to enjoy then on the street.  And, that's all the performance they need.

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Re: Carb Dating
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2006, 08:01:17 AM »
Thanks TwiTired,

You reaslly know what you are talking about and you basically answered my questions.  I hope that I can find the parts when I go to rebuild the carbs in the next few weeks.  Also, I am in need of some literature on how to rebuild the '78 carbs.   My manual doesn't cover the later carbs.
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Re: Carb Dating
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2006, 08:12:30 AM »
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