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1978 cb750F Rear Master Cylinder Rebuild Problem
« on: April 25, 2011, 09:13:06 AM »
I'm trying to rebuild my rear master, but I can't seem to get it all the way apart. That, or I just don't understand what's going on. Here is what it all looks like.

Now, that can't all fit inside the cup there, right?

It seems to me like this part should come out, or something, but I haven't figured out how to do it. It looks to me like it just doesn't move, but it seems like it should move.


And this is what the MC looks like.


Am I just an idiot? I've read the Clymer book, looked all over this forum, and looked in the Honda service manual I got off of this forum. Can somebody walk (baby steps) me through this? How do you all do this, or does my stuff just look jacked and I need to get the GSXR rear master and replace it?
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Re: 1978 cb750F Rear Master Cylinder Rebuild Problem
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2011, 06:13:12 AM »
Really, no one knows anything about this? The only place I've found a direct replacement is at a local motorcycle bone yard that is asking $75 for the part, and said that they don't know if it'll need to be rebuilt. I read somewhere on here that people have used the rear master from a GSXR, and that it was a lot cheaper than getting the stock part. Does anyone know what year gsxr it is that works?

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Re: 1978 cb750F Rear Master Cylinder Rebuild Problem
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2011, 06:36:32 AM »
Are you the person who disassembled it? There shouldn't be anything else down in the bore other than the piston, cup, and spring. Did you remove all three of the old parts? Looking into the bore in that middle photo, it appears that an old piston is stuck in there, maybe with the old cup and spring below that.

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Re: 1978 cb750F Rear Master Cylinder Rebuild Problem
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2011, 06:44:45 AM »
Yes, I disassembled it. No, nothing came out. I was thinking that part of it was stuck. It's nice to know that. How can I get the old piston out? Maybe after work I can take some pics with a real camera, not my phone.

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Re: 1978 cb750F Rear Master Cylinder Rebuild Problem
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2011, 12:44:33 PM »
Air pressure might work. That's how i got mine out.

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Re: 1978 cb750F Rear Master Cylinder Rebuild Problem
« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2011, 12:55:16 PM »
Soak it in Penetrating oil for a few hours and +1 on the compressed air. Worked for me as well.
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Re: 1978 cb750F Rear Master Cylinder Rebuild Problem
« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2011, 01:07:12 PM »
Thanks, I'll soak it over night and bring it to work tomorrow so I can use the air.

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Re: 1978 cb750F Rear Master Cylinder Rebuild Problem
« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2011, 06:21:54 AM »
Thanks, I'll soak it over night and bring it to work tomorrow so I can use the air.
The Heat Wrench will be your friend here. But my hunch is that once you get the parts out, you're going to find the bore so badly pitted that it's not salvageable. Probably the same story for a bone yard part. And if you'd try to install those parts in a used cylinder and nick a piston cup or otherwise screw up the assembly, you'll have wasted your money and still have poor braking. IMO, don't mess with a bone yard cylinder or a GSXR part. Save money elsewhere; your life depends on your brakes. You can probably find a new correct cylinder on-line for a lot less than a dealer would ask for at the parts counter. Part # 43500-405-023. And as a bonus, it'll be fully assembled, ready to install and bleed.

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Re: 1978 cb750F Rear Master Cylinder Rebuild Problem
« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2011, 08:22:26 AM »
Thanks chickenman, Silverback told me he has a rear master that he rebuilt that I have already bought from him. ;D Thank jeebus, because I still couldn't get it open. I have the rebuild kit and stuff that I'll probably sell to the local guys that build sohc choppers and bobbers. I may see if they're interested in my MC too. Thanks for all the advise. I'm more bummed that I couldn't rebuild it because I like to learn every little thing I can first hand about these bikes, and I wanted to post a "how to" thread with good pics on here so no one would ever have to ask about it again. ;)

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Re: 1978 cb750F Rear Master Cylinder Rebuild Problem
« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2011, 08:24:50 AM »
I disagree. On both of my bikes the circ clips were rusted tight as well as the top retaining washer. I used air pressure to force out the piston and spring which were shot but the bore was completely fine. And after a rebuild with a kit all my brakes front and rear work great.

Unless the bike was parked outside with the brake system disassembled i think he should be fine with just replacing the internals

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Re: 1978 cb750F Rear Master Cylinder Rebuild Problem
« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2011, 08:39:10 AM »
If I ever get it open I'll see what it's like.

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Re: 1978 cb750F Rear Master Cylinder Rebuild Problem
« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2011, 06:56:52 PM »
I've had success with drilling a hole in the cup and threading a machine screw or even a wood screw in there and pulling the plunger out.  Sometimes, the drill bit will even get the plunger to turn and free itself.  Be careful to not nick the sides if you go this route if you try to open it up.

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Re: 1978 cb750F Rear Master Cylinder Rebuild Problem
« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2012, 12:17:19 PM »
I may be late getting to this, but I just had the same problem about a week ago. Air pressure wouldn't budge the piston one bit. The exterior was badly rusted and pitted, but the inside wasn't as bad. The reason it was jammed was because the old brake fluid turned into a solid. Here is how I was able to get the piston out, and rebuild it.


First it was left to soak overnight in a acid based degreaser. It helped some, and made the caked up brake fluid on the outside look like a fungus.



Then the rear master was hooked up to a working front master cylinder, and the reservoir hole was plugged with a bolt.



After bleeding the air out of the lines, and building up pressure, you could push the lever as hard as possible, and then feel the piston move some under the pressure. Then build up the pressure again and repeat until it is far enough to pull out with pliers, or vice grips. You may need to add more fluid to the reservoir during the process. Look at that nasty junk!



The spring was still stuck, but it came out with some long needle pliers. To polish the bore I used a gun cleaning kit hooked up to a drill, because dremel bits were not long enough. It worked really well.
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Re: 1978 cb750F Rear Master Cylinder Rebuild Problem
« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2012, 06:50:01 PM »
My piston is stuck also. I tried boiling it, soaking it in brake fluid for 24 hours, drilled a hole in it and put the screw in but it wont budge. Actually the screw just broke off. UGHHH!

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Re: 1978 cb750F Rear Master Cylinder Rebuild Problem
« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2012, 07:45:31 PM »
I found a rebuilt master cylinder for cheap, so I just bought it. I never got my original one to come apart. Sorry.