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Offline phil71

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Re: I got an idea... Bench sync with a shop vac?
« Reply #25 on: May 10, 2012, 12:31:10 AM »
+1 why is anyone even talking about this? Let's discuss the benefit of baking your control cables in a conventional oven, vs a convection oven.

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Re: I got an idea... Bench sync with a shop vac?
« Reply #26 on: May 10, 2012, 10:23:00 PM »
beats workin'

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Re: I got an idea... Bench sync with a shop vac?
« Reply #27 on: May 11, 2012, 01:19:37 AM »
Yes, you could "bench sync" the carbs by supplying a common vacuum source to the carb inlets.
I don't see the big difference between that and a standard mechanical "bench sync".
The first approximation toward carb installation is the get the carbs all equal to each other.  Mechanical sync does that, as would the suggested method.

The true end goal would be to have the unequal vacuum sources among 4 cylinder intakes to be balanced by slightly uneven slide positions.  A common vacuum source would not take these variables into account.

So, if your engine is proven to provide exactly the same vacuum from each intake, the common vacuum at inlet would work as well as a mechanical bench sync.

It occurs to me that (using the proposed shop vac method) the sync ports feeding the manometers would be on the open side of the carbs on the bench, with the vacuum source largely blocked by the slides.  Seems to me that a pretty sensitive meter would have to be employed to make measurable differences there.  Or, a calibrated restrictor plate would have to be installed and sealed to the engine side of the carbs while sitting on the bench in order to make standard gauges be useful.

As much as I disdain the "drill bit method" for bench syncing, I think I would prefer it over the shop vac method, as it seems less labor intensive than the making the fixtures for the shop vac method.

I'll stick with the light method for bench sync.  And, then balance the cylinder inlet runner vacuum on the bike with manometers.  It's worked out well so far....

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Re: I got an idea... Bench sync with a shop vac?
« Reply #28 on: May 11, 2012, 09:35:51 PM »
I had that idea a year ago, but instead of measuring vacumm, I would measure Velocity and Differential Pressure Drop across the carbs with Pidot Tubes and pressure-to-milliamp transmitters going into the Analog Inputs of a Building Control System that I have mounted on a roll-around rack in my garage setup for such testing.
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Re: I got an idea... Bench sync with a shop vac?
« Reply #29 on: May 11, 2012, 09:55:53 PM »
As usual TT's massive brain blows the proposition away.... Your SOHC4 has 4 cylinders which do not create  equal amount of vacuum, hence the need for adjustments between the 4 to achieve a balance ( sync. )...
4 cyls. and 4 carbs are 4 separate motors connected to one crankshaft !! :o
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Re: I got an idea... Bench sync with a shop vac?
« Reply #30 on: May 12, 2012, 12:15:56 AM »
have a look at reply #4

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Re: I got an idea... Bench sync with a shop vac?
« Reply #31 on: May 12, 2012, 03:24:54 AM »
ha ha, Dave got it right fast...'cuz he's a mechanic, not an engineer! :D
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Re: I got an idea... Bench sync with a shop vac?
« Reply #32 on: May 12, 2012, 07:20:43 AM »
Shop vac plus fuel vapor equals reverse flame thrower!  I wouldnt do it, but Id watch and cheer.

Or as we like to say down here in Bama.... "Hey, hold my beer and watch this"
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Re: I got an idea... Bench sync with a shop vac?
« Reply #33 on: May 12, 2012, 12:25:08 PM »
Woah!! 

 
I had that idea a year ago, but instead of measuring vacumm, I would measure Velocity and Differential Pressure Drop across the carbs with Pidot Tubes and pressure-to-milliamp transmitters going into the Analog Inputs of a Building Control System that I have mounted on a roll-around rack in my garage setup for such testing.

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Re: I got an idea... Bench sync with a shop vac?
« Reply #34 on: May 12, 2012, 12:35:08 PM »
Shuxx....I was getting ready to borrow one of these from my dealer to use!.........
http://www.knfilters.com/video/KN_Airflow_Dem.htm
what I really hate about demo's like that is the mfg designs a "device" to "prove" their product is superior to others. That K&N filter might pass more air but it could be a negligible amount but just enough to keep the ball from dropping.
A CFM guage would be more honest but not as DRAMAtic to the target market.
All I know about K&N filters is they're PINK, you can oil them and they cost WAY more than OEM quality. Also I bet there was NO oil on that demo filter.
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They make the box look simple but each part of that box had to be engineered.
Even that tube and that ball. Exact weight of ball etc.,etc..,.