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Offline DaveInTexas

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Rich Mixture, how to troubleshoot?
« on: June 14, 2006, 04:43:45 AM »
Let's say you clean and reset the screws on your carbs, synch them and go for a slow (50mph) ride because it is running fine.  Then you pull the new plugs after 50 miles of this and they are black (not oily, but too rich).

How would you go about troubleshooting this overrich mixture?  Its purely hypothetical at this point.

What I am asking (at the start anyway) is, "How can you decide if the overrich condition is due to the idle circuit or the high speed settings?" 

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What would you start adjusting first, the float level, the idle air screw, or the high speed jet needle height?

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Re: Rich Mixture, how to troubleshoot?
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2006, 05:12:33 AM »
How would you go about troubleshooting this overrich mixture?  Its purely hypothetical at this point.

What I am asking (at the start anyway) is, "How can you decide if the overrich condition is due to the idle circuit or the high speed settings?" 


Check out the FAQ on Carbs as well as this post by TwoTired entitled Reading Spark Plug Deposits for Mixture Readings

The last paragraph also explains how to perform a plug chop.

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Re: Rich Mixture, how to troubleshoot?
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2006, 06:04:53 AM »
First get all the bikes systems up to a good baseline.  Things like a clean airfilter, valve clearance, cam chain tension, points adjustment and timing,  spark strength, spark plug condition and gap, charging system checked out, etc.   Part of the baselineing would also involve your carbs . . .Float level should be set to stock specs, bench synchronize your carbs, and assuming your bike is stock, make sure that the idle air screws are clear and at the initial stock settings, needle clip position and main jet are all to stock specs.  Warm up your bike, guage synch your carbs and adjust the idle air screws for maximum idle rpm.  If all the bikes systems are working properly and assuming that you have a stock setup you should not be running rich anymore.  If you still have rich looking plugs then go back and find out which of the bikes systems is not baselined correctly.  Don't make the mistake of trying to treat the rich "symptom" with carb tuning (changes to the clip height and main jet size etc) until you are certain of your "baseline".  Carb tuning is typically required for bikes with modified intakes, exhaust, engine displacements etc where the stock carb specs are no longer valid.  The plug chopping method mentioned previously will give you an idea of whether your have a rich or lean conditon at a particular throttle setting and thereby tell you which carb "circuit" is involved with the particular condition.  It is possible for example to be rich at idle, lean in the midrange and rich at WOT so examing the plugs carelfully at a particular throttle position is key to making the proper carb adjustments. 
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Re: Rich Mixture, how to troubleshoot?
« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2006, 10:32:01 AM »
Warm up your bike, guage synch your carbs and adjust the idle air screws for maximum idle rpm. 

Good write up.  But, if I could, I'd like to offer this little correction.  >Idle Mixture Screws< are adjusted for maximum idle.  >Idle Air Screws<, are not.  The reason is that, lacking an accelerator pump, these early carbs rely on a rich idle mixture for good low speed throttle response under load.  Opening the idle air screws too far will make the engine idle much higher (and leaner), but the engine will cough and wheeze when cracking the throttle open.  The Idle Air screws are only turned out far enouugh to make low speed throttle response under load, tolerable.

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