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Offline reliv77

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1977 Honda 750 Supersport Idle
« on: September 27, 2012, 10:49:02 AM »
I just purchased a 1977 Honda 750 Supersport. The Odometer reads less than 5k. The bike starts fine, idles fine, and runs fine until it gets hot. Just sitting at a red light the idle will increase. When I start back up the idle will go down to "normal". Any Ideas?

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Re: 1977 Honda 750 Supersport Idle
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2012, 02:40:59 PM »
adjust your idle set screw down..
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Re: 1977 Honda 750 Supersport Idle
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2012, 02:57:18 PM »
On my 78 I set the idle when the bike is hot.
Then use the choke to keep it going when cold.
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Re: 1977 Honda 750 Supersport Idle
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2012, 06:38:11 PM »
My 76 does the same thing, after it warms up I just loosen the idle adjustment screw.

The post at the bottom of this link shows where that screw is if you don't know.

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Re: 1977 Honda 750 Supersport Idle
« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2012, 08:27:49 PM »
There's also some other fine-tune sort of things that will help make this more 'stable':
1. Make sure the hose clamps on the carbs and head are tight, and the hoses are not leaking.
2. Make sure the valve lash is properly set. I use .003" all around on the post-1975 bikes, instead of the .002" intake, to help reduce this tendency.
3. Think about replacing the tiny O-rings that are on the air-fuel adjust screws, when you have the chance. They are old and likely cracked from age, and a crack in just one or two can cause this symptom to become annoying.
4. Make sure the condensors are relatively new. They have a life of about 3-5 years, depending on miles. When old, they shift in value (less when cold, more when hot), changing the length of the spark duration from about 1.0mS cold to 1.5mS hot. Many who installed my ignition also reported that the cold-bloodedness was much reduced.
5. Check your sparkplug caps' resistance. For either 'pair' (1-4 and 2-3) of plug caps, they must be within 950 ohms of each other. And, none should be more than 11,000 (11k) ohms. If you replace them, use the 5,000 ohm (5k) variety instead, today. This will improve the overall spark performance, and they will last longer.
6. Consider using the ND sparkplugs #X24ES-U instead of the D8EA that is marketed today. This latter plug is colder than the original D8ES-L that was designed for the bike, which is not available anymore. The X24ES-U is a superior match.
7. If you still have the stock airbox, consider getting a K&N gauze-style filter element inside. This helps a lot. If yours has individual pod air filters, consider finding a stock airbox to replace them, or this problem will plague you forever.
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Re: 1977 Honda 750 Supersport Idle
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2012, 08:31:56 PM »
There's also some other fine-tune sort of things that will help make this more 'stable':
1. Make sure the hose clamps on the carbs and head are tight, and the hoses are not leaking.
2. Make sure the valve lash is properly set. I use .003" all around on the post-1975 bikes, instead of the .002" intake, to help reduce this tendency.
3. Think about replacing the tiny O-rings that are on the air-fuel adjust screws, when you have the chance. They are old and likely cracked from age, and a crack in just one or two can cause this symptom to become annoying.
4. Make sure the condensors are relatively new. They have a life of about 3-5 years, depending on miles. When old, they shift in value (less when cold, more when hot), changing the length of the spark duration from about 1.0mS cold to 1.5mS hot. Many who installed my ignition also reported that the cold-bloodedness was much reduced.
5. Check your sparkplug caps' resistance. For either 'pair' (1-4 and 2-3) of plug caps, they must be within 950 ohms of each other. And, none should be more than 11,000 (11k) ohms. If you replace them, use the 5,000 ohm (5k) variety instead, today. This will improve the overall spark performance, and they will last longer.
6. Consider using the ND sparkplugs #X24ES-U instead of the D8EA that is marketed today. This latter plug is colder than the original D8ES-L that was designed for the bike, which is not available anymore. The X24ES-U is a superior match.
7. If you still have the stock airbox, consider getting a K&N gauze-style filter element inside. This helps a lot. If yours has individual pod air filters, consider finding a stock airbox to replace them, or this problem will plague you forever.


Interesting recommendattion on the spark plugs.... Would you use those on a K1 as well? I picked up some D8EA's last weekend but will switch if you give the word
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Re: 1977 Honda 750 Supersport Idle
« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2012, 10:35:44 AM »
go with the Denso X24ES-U  (part # 4099)
@ rockauto.com for $1.25/ea....
my K1 likes them  ;D
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Re: 1977 Honda 750 Supersport Idle
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2012, 10:56:00 AM »
I just purchased a 1977 Honda 750 Supersport. The Odometer reads less than 5k. The bike starts fine, idles fine, and runs fine until it gets hot. Just sitting at a red light the idle will increase. When I start back up the idle will go down to "normal". Any Ideas?
Do the 3K tune up check list, and vacuum sync the carbs.

Let us know what changes from stock were made to air induction and exhaust.
Tell us how old the air filter is.  ... and what the idle mixture screw setting is at.
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Re: 1977 Honda 750 Supersport Idle
« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2012, 05:26:25 PM »
Bear with me, I am a novice here. To get at the Air Filter...loosen the rubber boots connected to the carbs unbolt the Air Box from the Frame and drop the Air Box?

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Re: 1977 Honda 750 Supersport Idle
« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2012, 05:55:21 PM »
No.

You really should get the shop manual and or owners manual.
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Re: 1977 Honda 750 Supersport Idle
« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2012, 06:18:59 PM »
Thanks for the Air Cleaner Maintenance Images. This is what I am checking on first. Can you tell me, can I check the boots for leaks if the motor is running and I spray some Insant Start over them to see if the Idle jumps? Works on my 71 Ford Thunderbird checking for air leaks. Again, I am a novice when it comes to Motorcycle Engines.

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Re: 1977 Honda 750 Supersport Idle
« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2012, 07:52:59 PM »
Yes, spray some accelerant on the intake boots and leaks will suck that into the motor and rpm's will rise. Or simply check the 8 screws w/ a phillips screwdriver, mine were loose and made all the world of difference in how my 78 SS runs..