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« Reply #50 on: October 05, 2012, 04:54:09 pm »
Here are a few other pics I found.
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« Reply #51 on: October 05, 2012, 05:14:52 pm »
Here is a review from Australia that sums up this bike pretty well.

http://www.mcnews.com.au/Testing/Honda/2010_CB1100/Review.htm
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« Reply #52 on: October 05, 2012, 05:29:56 pm »
That's a bit disappointing, not much HP, and not much torque either.  :-\
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« Reply #53 on: October 06, 2012, 04:07:29 am »
I like SOME of the look but not the performance figures.. I wonder if Kawasaki will come on board and do a retro KZ1000/KZ1100 DOHC/4 with an EDDIE LAWSON style to it. I know some of the late 70s KZs (1015cc) were advertized as having 96HP off the showroom (LTD MODELS) and it didn't take much WORK to get 100HP out of them.  The new CB could easily be reworked and molded in to a real SLEEPER.

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« Reply #54 on: October 06, 2012, 04:36:52 am »
I like SOME of the look but not the performance figures.. I wonder if Kawasaki will come on board and do a retro KZ1000/KZ1100 DOHC/4 with an EDDIE LAWSON style to it. I know some of the late 70s KZs (1015cc) were advertized as having 96HP off the showroom (LTD MODELS) and it didn't take much WORK to get 100HP out of them.  The new CB could easily be reworked and molded in to a real SLEEPER.

http://s465.photobucket.com/albums/rr20/Xnavylfr/?action=view&current=Hogeater2smokin.jpg

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Kawasaki did do a retro Eddie Lawson Rep Chuck, the mighty ZRX1100. I want one........... ;D

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« Reply #55 on: October 06, 2012, 04:48:24 am »
It is kinda strange to have an 1100cc with so LITTLE HP. HONDA was making 120HP V4 in the 1982 MAGNA/SABER.. They may be just numbers  to make INS. companies happy, kinda like they did with the V4 750 Magna/ then they went to the V4 700cc ,, say WHAT!! same engine just detuned.


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The 700cc V4 (and the 700 Nighthawk, and all the other 700's) weren't just detuned 750's for insurance numbers.  They were because of the import tariff that out lovely federal gov't imposed to protect Harley Davidson at the time.  That tariff was lifted in a few years, and the 750's were back, and joined by larger 4-cylinders of 900, 1,000, and 1,100cc.
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« Reply #56 on: October 06, 2012, 05:23:19 am »
Mick in Darwin bought one new a couple of years ago, and he loves it's comfortable riding position, flexible engine, and modern fuel injection and brakes, styled (IMHO) more from the early DOHC Honda's. I personally don't see any resemblance to our SOHC bikes at all.

The HP figures are disappointing though. Yes I know that CB750's with 87HP are thrilling to ride, but that's mostly because to get 87 HP out of a CB750 you've gotta run radical cams which don't work well under 6000 RPM, so to enjoy that HP, you've got to rev the piss out of them, and they're under-inspiring below "Go to Jail" speeds. A stocker is much more enjoyable at legal velocities.

My stock Suzuki GS1000 was rated at around 100 BHP with the introduction of the big port head in 1980, and my mate John's minty 1984 Honda CB1100F makes 110. I think a figure of around 120 for the new 1100 would easily be achievable without losing any of the flexibility of the bike's design brief. (commuter/tourer/occasional canyon racer)

I wonder if the European model is a detuned version of the bikes we've had here in Oz since 2010? I certainly wouldn't sell my Suzy to buy the new Honda if I know that the Suzuki is a better performer, I think I'll just bolt on some four piston calipers and spend the rest on Chivas............ ;D

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« Reply #57 on: October 06, 2012, 06:18:23 am »
Well I guess the tarif didn't stop the JAPANESE imports from exploding. They have everything up to 102CI/1700cc V-twins and that is what HD didn't want..
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« Reply #58 on: October 06, 2012, 06:25:50 am »
Honda and Kawasaki got around the tariff by establishing big bike plants in the U.S., so those models would no longer be considered imports. Clever, and led to the employment of thousands of Americans.
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« Reply #59 on: October 06, 2012, 11:49:34 am »



Kawasaki did do a retro Eddie Lawson Rep Chuck, the mighty ZRX1100. I want one........... ;D

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« Last Edit: October 07, 2012, 01:26:12 pm by LesterPiglet »
'Then' and 'than' are completely different words and have completely different meanings. Same with 'of' and 'have'. Set and sit. There, their and they're. Draw and drawer. Could care less/couldn't care less. Bought/brought FFS.


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« Reply #60 on: October 06, 2012, 12:37:15 pm »
Well I guess the tarif didn't stop the JAPANESE imports from exploding. They have everything up to 102CI/1700cc V-twins and that is what HD didn't want..
More MC for nearly half the price and it don't cost you 1500$ for your first oil change/service!!



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It really doesn't matter because Harley is going to Run out of options. Its amazing they haven't yet. There's only so much a pushrod v-twin can accomplish and be reliable. I mean we're already well into the 110ci engines. Eventually the engine is going to be bigger than the biker.
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« Reply #61 on: October 06, 2012, 02:13:54 pm »
As someone posted earlier, I don't see why  Honda isn't taking this opportunity to introduce a true SOHC replica. I guess maybe heritage isn't important enough to the Japanese compared to innovation. They're in danger of misreading their market again.
Another opportunity lost.
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« Reply #62 on: October 06, 2012, 04:11:36 pm »



Kawasaki did do a retro Eddie Lawson Rep Chuck, the mighty ZRX1100. I want one........... ;D

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Ever see one like this?



That looks like a much modified original ELR Les? And that one clearly demonstrates the problem with putting 17 inch wheels on a bike of the era. To get reasonable ground clearance you've got to jack it up in the air with longer forks and rear shocks, giving it a "Pregnant Motard" stance.  ;D
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« Reply #63 on: October 06, 2012, 06:01:08 pm »
Honda and Kawasaki got around the tariff by establishing big bike plants in the U.S., so those models would no longer be considered imports. Clever, and led to the employment of thousands of Americans.

The common belief is that Honda built their Goldwing plant in Marysville, Ohio to avoid the tariffs levied on imported cars and bikes by US President Ronnie Raygun's government. In actual fact, Honda started work on the plant in 1977, 4 years before Ronnie was elected to office. 

President Raygun brought in the tariffs on large imported bikes and cars as well, to keep American made bikes and cars viable, and more importantly, to keep American auto workers in jobs. Prior to all this, Honda had already started to build their plant in Ohio after a deal was done with the government to "gift" Honda the land, provide massive tax breaks, and provide them with free utilities for the first couple of years, and large discounts thereafter. Between 1977 and 1990, the government (on behalf of the US taxpayer) invested 131 million dollars in the Marysville plant. 

The government obviously saw it as a great opportunity for local employment, and apart from avoiding the tariffs and the financial breaks, Honda was able to also save millions in shipping costs to it's then largest customer.

Sadly Goldwing manufacturing was moved back to Japan in 2009. There were several reasons for this, Honda wanted to expand it's car manufacturing base in the US and it was cheaper to convert the Marysville plant to car manufacture than build a new plant, demand for the Goldwing in the US had dropped drastically due to the US' economic woes, and the Japanese government was putting pressure on Honda to do more manufacturing in Japan, to ease Japanese domestic unemployment.

The Marysville plant is still operating, and the Goldwing plant workers were all offered work manufacturing cars. The plant now employs 400 less workers than it did in 2009, but no-one (initially) lost their jobs as a result of the GW manufacturing being moved back to the US.

Harley Davidson sales have actually improved markedly in the US since 2009, and HD expects to sell around 245,000 units worldwide in 2012. While the US is still Harley's biggest market, Harley sales worldwide account for approx 40% of Harley's annual revenue. The answer to the "How can Harley's old pushrod designs compete against modern technology" question that non-Harley folk have been asking for as long as I can remember is, Harley has no intention of competing, they're doing just fine, thanks very much. Cheers, Terry. ;D 
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So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

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« Reply #64 on: October 06, 2012, 06:11:57 pm »
I thought I knew everything!
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« Reply #65 on: October 06, 2012, 07:43:45 pm »
I thought I knew everything!

Me and my brother (and Google) know everything.......... ;D
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I was feeling sorry for myself because I couldn't afford new bike boots, until I met a man with no legs.

So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

"Crazy is a very misunderstood term, it's a fine line that some of us can lean over and still keep our balance" (thanks RB550Four)

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« Reply #66 on: October 07, 2012, 12:20:21 am »
Honda and Kawasaki got around the tariff by establishing big bike plants in the U.S., so those models would no longer be considered imports. Clever, and led to the employment of thousands of Americans.

 Between 1977 and 1990, the government (on behalf of the US taxpayer) invested 131 million dollars in the Marysville plant. 
The government obviously saw it as a great opportunity for local employment, and apart from avoiding the tariffs and the financial breaks, Honda was able to also save millions in shipping costs to it's then largest customer.

Sadly Goldwing manufacturing was moved back to Japan in 2009.
 the Japanese government was putting pressure on Honda to do more manufacturing in Japan, to ease Japanese domestic unemployment.

The Marysville plant is still operating, and the Goldwing plant workers were all offered work manufacturing cars. The plant now employs 400 less workers than it did in 2009
 

Between 1977 and 1990, the government gave the Japanese Corporation 131 million uncollected tax dollars for kickbacks and luxury trips overseas and domestically while "doing global congressional business" 

The government couldn't resist the great party opportunities and playing big shots.

 Honda Corp was able to also save millions in shipping costs, making the schmoozing and  drink and party women top class.

 Goldwing manufacturing was moved back to Japan in 2009 because
 the Japanese government was putting pressure on Honda to do more manufacturing in Japan, to ease Japanese domestic unemployment, actually giving a **** !

The Marysville plant is still US taxpayer subsidized and hurts US Gov owned mega billion tax and investor scam cost GM, and the Honda plant employs 400 less workers than it did in 2009, many of them foreign nationals and illegal aliens.

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« Reply #67 on: October 07, 2012, 12:59:35 am »
Having lived in Central Ohio (Westerville a NE Columbus neighborhood) for 19 years ('86-05) less than 50 miles from the plant, I am familiar with the Honda operation and have toured the Marysville Honda auto plant. It is a very large operation and the jobs there are very coveted and are hard to get. They pay very well and reward on-time attendance (and conversely punish tardiness). They receive favorable legislation and press and are considered a very good place to work. They employ a lot of Japanese engineers and have a small percentage of American engineers in their employ. The line management is a mix of Japanese and American employees. It is after all a Japanese company.


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« Reply #68 on: October 07, 2012, 01:03:19 am »



Kawasaki did do a retro Eddie Lawson Rep Chuck, the mighty ZRX1100. I want one........... ;D

1999 ZRX1100 Kawasaki

Ever see one like this?



That looks like a much modified original ELR Les? And that one clearly demonstrates the problem with putting 17 inch wheels on a bike of the era. To get reasonable ground clearance you've got to jack it up in the air with longer forks and rear shocks, giving it a "Pregnant Motard" stance.  ;D


yes it never looks good , there are good 18 inch tyres around these days so i guess the reason people do it is that used 17 inch wheels are cheap .

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« Reply #69 on: October 07, 2012, 02:41:51 am »
That's ugly. No the red white and blue colors don't make up for it, nice scammy try though.

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« Reply #70 on: October 07, 2012, 03:42:29 am »
In 2010 I would have bought the new 1100F.  I watched the biking news, spoke to dealers.  got aggravated when it went to the southern hemisphere first...

it's almost 2013... three years to prove Honda continues to target America with machines intended  to compete with the motor company.  Not continuing with the tradition that gave them success world wide.


Screw em. and they will never capture much of the motor companies market.

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« Reply #71 on: October 07, 2012, 03:45:33 am »



Kawasaki did do a retro Eddie Lawson Rep Chuck, the mighty ZRX1100. I want one........... ;D

1999 ZRX1100 Kawasaki

Ever see one like this?



That looks like a much modified original ELR Les? And that one clearly demonstrates the problem with putting 17 inch wheels on a bike of the era. To get reasonable ground clearance you've got to jack it up in the air with longer forks and rear shocks, giving it a "Pregnant Motard" stance.  ;D

He hadn't a clue what he was doing. It had the turning circle of a truck. It was a nice bike originally though.
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« Reply #72 on: October 07, 2012, 07:16:38 am »
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it's almost 2013... three years to prove Honda continues to target America with machines intended  to compete with the motor company.  Not continuing with the tradition that gave them success world wide.
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« Reply #73 on: October 07, 2012, 08:06:33 am »

Kawasaki did do a retro Eddie Lawson Rep Chuck, the mighty ZRX1100. I want one........... ;D


Me too Terry, one of my favorite bikes!  They did a 1200 here in the states also.  I drool over one parked by my work all the time ;D  Frankenbike has a very sweetly modified ZRX as well.

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« Reply #74 on: October 07, 2012, 08:23:29 pm »
I'd love to see a new version of the bike the honda engineers wanted to build in 69 if they had been turned loose. Maybe 1000cc w/4 into 4 or even a yoshimura version.
Hell, even a new version of the bike we all tried to build after we got our new 750's.
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