Hmmm, lets review.
Original post asked about exhaust options for performance.
Reply one: from Proteal55, ignores the performance aspect but promotes loud as a beneficial aspect with opinion slogan stated as fact. Then says: "Look at my bike!"
Reply two: (twotired) discusses performance aspects re: the original question (gee, I thought it was a technical forum), but balances the prior opinion injection with a contrary opposing opinion presented in reply one.
Reply three: Proteal slaps around TwoTired for having a contrary opinion, and implies his opinion is more important and he is a representative of the masses. Here begins the argument.
Reply Four: NJ750K1 ttries to get back to the original topic. I'm truly sorry it hasn't worked out better that way. You just never know what you'll get in a forum.
Reply Six: TwoTired, picking up the gauntlet thrown down in reply three, and recognizing BS when he reads it, rebuts the argument of Reply three.
Reply Eight: Poor TINTIN gets lambasted for no good reason. I begin to wonder if there is some kind of substance abuse or a vendetta from a prior discussion. However, assuming enraged fingers simply mistyped the moniker, I still have to wonder why PROTEAL55 can't follow his own advise.
Why you can't just take an opinion for what it is, an opinion ?
PROTEAL likes loud pipes, OK , next topic....
Simple as that...
What? Contrary opinions can't be allowed? Why can't you just take an opinion for what it is, an opinion ?
TwoTired doesn't like loud pipes on street vehicles. Rationale given. OK, next topic. Simple as that.
But no, we get Reply # 3 instead.
But no, you have to go write a full page report knocking me down , to make yourself look better in members eyes..
You know my "reports" are always long winded. I'm not trying to knock you down, only to have you realize the folly of your recently posted opinion. Or, if you are so intransigent, at least retard the spread of that folly. You took it personal. But, you made it that way by singling out my contrary (to you) position.
Further, I hardly think I need to knock you down to "look better in members eyes". Never my intention anyway. If my posting record doesn't speak for itself, discussions or a typingfight with you will hardly matter. I believe you are making up contrivances to garner sympathy. If it works, you deserve the followers you seek.
If I choose to run NO PIPES on my bike , then I can do that because it is MY BIKE.
Quite right, as long as you keep it in your garage. But, when you operate that bike on public roads, in public areas, you are required to comply with laws, regulations, and local ordinances. Most locales have noise ordinances pertaining to vehicle emissions. I have personally received tickets for LOUD mufflers in Barrington and Itasca. So, I know Illinois is not immune from these. You are cited at officer discretion. Here are but a few examples of such ordinances and restrictions:
http://www.nonoise.org/lawlib/cities/cities.htmThere are also Federal standards for noise emissions from vehicles. Technically, any noise increase due to modifications to stock exhaust is illegal. It is not strictly enforced. But, I believe if it becomes a widely perceived problem by motorcyclists and/or non-motorcyclists, it will be strictly enforced. These laws, ordinances, etc., are, by definition, supported by the majority populace, making any loud pipe advocate in the minority. When a minority gets boisterous enough, and perturbs enough of the majority, the minority is most often forced into submission. I really don't want to see that. But, I can understand when it happens.
I dont know about your road conditions , but around Chicagoland, you better be on a bike that makes some noise, or else you are toast..
I've driven motorcycles in Illinois cities, and California highways and cities for a lot of years. I've had loud pipes and quiet pipes. Cages will kill you indiscriminately, regardless of noise. I've had people look straight at me, total eye contact, on a bike with loud pipes and RPMs at 7K, then change lanes right toward me. It is human nature to only see what you are looking for. In traffic, in a car while thinking about work issues, the kids dental exam, the mortgage payment due date, that blemish on your arm, the low fuel indication, you glance over your shoulder to see if there is another car. Seeing none, you change lanes... into a motorcycle OR a TRUCK! You didn't SEE them, because you were not looking for a motorcycle or a truck only another car. This is a basic human factor, that loud pipes will NOT change. Learn to deal with it, or become a statistic.
These message boards are just that, opinions.
I would like to think that at least SOME of the posts in the Tech Forum are based on Knowledge, experience, and facts, rather than simply opinions. At least, I try to introduce something other than my opinion on occasion.
However, if the Tech Forum is now Re-defined as opinion only and non-factual, I'll be getting a lot more of my projects done rather than posting or reading here in the future. It will always remain true that the reader has to weed fact from fiction. I rue the day when it all becomes bragging and weeds.
RSV12K,
Your sincerity and concern is touching. Unfortunately, your extensive and well posed arguments have failed to persuade me toward your viewpoint. But rest assured, I will continue to give it all the attention it deserves.
Dumbgumby,
I may be a noob, but I am not an ignorant old man that thinks that loud pipes have NEVER saved a life in the history of two-wheeled vehicles. I am sorry but you are 100% wrong even if it is just an opinion it's wrong.
The fun thing about the word never is that it only takes one documented example to disprove it. You're presented example among them. People get hit by trains who never heard the bellowing horn. But, your loud pipes will get everybody's attention in their secure little cages and save your life. Must be nice in your fantasy world.
By the way, I figure most noobies look up to an intelligent guy like you with your immense knowledge of motorcycles in general, so please tell us, why do you have to be suck a f'n jerk?
Wow, a compliment and derision in the same sentence. As well as another persuasive argument to consider for your selected side. That fact that you think I and the vast number of people in this world are jerks, probably says more about you than it does me. You've hurt me deeply. Feel better now?
