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Throttle open/closed distance
« on: January 04, 2013, 06:55:02 PM »
Is their any way to shorten the amount of movement I have to make with the throttle tube to get the throttle to open?
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Re: Throttle open/closed distance
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2013, 06:52:30 AM »
Yes there is an adjustment for that, typically two adjustments, one course adjust at the carb and the fine adjust at the underside of the throttle.  Look in manual.  Your basically lengthening or shortening the throttle cables.
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Re: Throttle open/closed distance
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2013, 10:10:16 AM »
What he said^^

Additionally i found with my cheap motion pro cables it was useful to shim the push cable with closed down half washers. There is extra slack that will put you at the extremes of adjustment and i don't like that. On the push it is that extra you need for proper slack /adjustment
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Re: Throttle open/closed distance
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2013, 10:24:18 AM »
If your talking about removing the slack in the cable, both posters are correct. Be careful not to take out too much.

If you're talking about the total amount of rotation of the "pipe throttle" (throttle tube) that's a different subject called a "quick throtlle". Several threads on this.

Won't go further if that's not what you wanted.
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Re: Throttle open/closed distance
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2013, 10:29:01 AM »
If your talking about quick pull 90 degree 'race' throttle, not a good idea on streetbike.
It isn't a modern fuel injected motor, carbs don't like being taken to full throttle from low rpm.
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Re: Throttle open/closed distance
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2013, 10:57:26 AM »
If your talking about quick pull 90 degree 'race' throttle, not a good idea on streetbike.
It isn't a modern fuel injected motor, carbs don't like being taken to full throttle from low rpm.
The bike in my avatar had one. The current iteration of Phaedrus has one. We've had several threads here about the efficacy of its use. There are some compromises as with anything. But for those of us who like them, well, they work OK.

The pipe from a 929RR fits (I'm told) and decreases the rotation. Though the give up is more spring resistance.

In my Avatar I used completely different swithes and a Magura QuickThrottle. On Phaedrus I'm using a QT that fits into the stock switchgear.  If the 929 pipe fits, that would be the better choice as mine adds length to the switch housing.
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Re: Throttle open/closed distance
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2013, 11:14:39 AM »
I used one of these on my fjr. Had a variable ramp up and worked well.
Maybe worth a look.
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Re: Throttle open/closed distance
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2013, 11:32:08 AM »
I used one of these on my fjr. Had a variable ramp up and worked well.
Maybe worth a look.
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Re: Throttle open/closed distance
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2013, 01:18:36 PM »
OK, it's probably not a good idea for a beginner  ;)
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Re: Throttle open/closed distance
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2013, 03:49:31 PM »
I have one on my Goldwing (1800) for drill team usage, specifically due to the fuel injectors immediate response.  The g2ergo allows a more liner response at slight throttle like the old days.  Do not see the benefit for these vintage carbureted machines!
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Re: Throttle open/closed distance
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2013, 03:59:39 PM »
OK, it's probably not a good idea for a beginner  ;)
Yeah, that's reasonable. When I had it, it was neat. Just thinking about it was enough to roll on for a pass.

It could be twitchy but what young buck doesn't try to perk things up that maybe shouldn't be perked up in the eyes of someone who's already done it perhaps.

It's just a fun thing.
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Re: Throttle open/closed distance
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2013, 10:55:37 PM »
Thanks for the input guys. I guess I haven't ridden it yet so I don't know if I really want to change anything. But when its sittin in my shop it just feels like it has a lot more travel than my sv. I'll see how it goes in april or maybe march if I'm lucky.
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Re: Throttle open/closed distance
« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2013, 05:18:28 AM »
Thanks for the input guys. I guess I haven't ridden it yet so I don't know if I really want to change anything. But when its sittin in my shop it just feels like it has a lot more travel than my sv. I'll see how it goes in april or maybe march if I'm lucky.
Still clarify if your concern is the play, or the total rotation of the grip.

If #2, be aware that the last nth of the stock rotation accomplishes nothing, the slides are all the way up before the grip stops turning.

That''s why we read the claims "I was going XX (crazy number goes here) mph with some left to go" The left to go accomplishes nothing.

AND compared to a modern semi sport bike like an SV, I'm sure the SV has a semi quick turn throttle anyway.
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Re: Throttle open/closed distance
« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2013, 07:09:09 AM »
I was talking about less rotation of the grip.
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Re: Throttle open/closed distance
« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2013, 08:20:51 AM »
I was talking about less rotation of the grip.
Thought so, thanks.

many people here have complained about the amount of rotation. The feeling is that you turn the throttle as far as the wrist allows, then you have to "grab another handful" to get the last bit.  This is true on our 1970s era bikes. Wait till you ride it and see what you think. Larger diameter grips may help. Ultimtely you'll look for a new throtle tube if need be.

Remember that anything you do to decrease the rotation will increase the feel of the return spring. Some of us don't like that either.
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Re: Throttle open/closed distance
« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2013, 05:43:36 PM »
I have one on my Goldwing (1800) for drill team usage, specifically due to the fuel injectors immediate response.  The g2ergo allows a more liner response at slight throttle like the old days.  Do not see the benefit for these vintage carbureted machines!

I do not see the need for extremely expensive fuel injected systems.
Every part is $600.00!!!!! >:(

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Re: Throttle open/closed distance
« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2013, 05:43:50 PM »
I have one on my Goldwing (1800) for drill team usage, specifically due to the fuel injectors immediate response.  The g2ergo allows a more liner response at slight throttle like the old days.  Do not see the benefit for these vintage carbureted machines!

I do not see the need for extremely expensive fuel injected systems.
Every part is $600.00!!!!! >:(

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Re: Throttle open/closed distance
« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2013, 05:44:19 PM »
I have one on my Goldwing (1800) for drill team usage, specifically due to the fuel injectors immediate response.  The g2ergo allows a more liner response at slight throttle like the old days.  Do not see the benefit for these vintage carbureted machines!

I do not see the need for extremely expensive fuel injected systems.
Every part is $600.00! >:(

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Re: Throttle open/closed distance
« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2013, 05:44:33 PM »
I have one on my Goldwing (1800) for drill team usage, specifically due to the fuel injectors immediate response.  The g2ergo allows a more liner response at slight throttle like the old days.  Do not see the benefit for these vintage carbureted machines!

I do not see the need for extremely expensive fuel injected systems.
Every part is $600.00!

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Re: Throttle open/closed distance
« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2013, 06:50:30 AM »
I see Lucky has a point to make?  ;D
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