Topic: mad max coupe

[dave500]

i want one!
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Mad-Max-Interceptor-1973-XB-Ford-Falcon-GS-Coupe-Hardtop-not-GT-xa-xc-/181161140408?pt=AU_Cars&clk_rvr_id=495572594016&hash=item2a2e0ba0b8

[kghost]

Is it $65,000 worth of want?

[dave500]

now i know what made max mad,,,the price!

[kghost]

Doesn't have the self destruct bomb.....

[seanbarney41]

how many of those xb Falcons are left over there?...it would be fun to put together one of your own...I forgot who made that blower intake, but have seen 'em at swaps from time to time...

[dave500]

in the film it was weiand,,"come on max,youve seen it,youve heard it,and your still asking questions?"

had a good day today,just an afternoons fun with the boys.

[trueblue]

how many of those xb Falcons are left over there?...it would be fun to put together one of your own...I forgot who made that blower intake, but have seen 'em at swaps from time to time...

There's still a few getting around, but most of them have turned completely to rust and have fallen apart in true Ford fashion

[seanbarney41]

in the film it was weiand,,"come on max,youve seen it,youve heard it,and your still asking questions?"

had a good day today,just an afternoons fun with the boys.

lol...love it when you guys scatter those fake velocity stacks like so many empty beer cans

[dave500]

ha!too many empty beer cans caused this seanbarn,this is my mates xb "fairmont" four door,it had the obligortory 302 cleveland,an odd ball engine not available in the states?note the debris trapped between the tyre bead and the rim from him going sideways into an embankment,,he was lucky,he banged his head and had a big black eye,this was about 91 or 2?the trunk lid never even got a ripple in it?he only had just repaired some rust under the fairmont badge.

thats gotta smart!

it was nearly twenty years old then and pretty well imacculate.

[Bailgang]

302 Cleveland? Does the cyl heads have canted valves like a 351C? If so they might have sold it here and called it a Boss 302. The Boss 302 was the only 302 Ford sold here that had the Cleveland style canted valve cyl heads, the 4 barrel C heads for that matter. All the other 302's had Windsor heads. It was built when Ford, GM and Chrysler were hot and heavy in Trans/Am racing here back in late 60's early 70's and it's a rare engine here as well.

Oh by the way, does that Mad Max car have a supercharger that can "start up" like the one in the movie did?

[dave500]

your boss 302 was a windsor block?with clevo heads?our 302 clevo is a clevo block with clevo heads,we also got the 289/302 and 351 windsors in falcons and fairlanes,the 351 windsor is a bit rare here,i rebuilt one for a mate once a long time ago,ha!this photo is taken in the same spot as the yellow smashed xb!this is a 71 "xy"fairmont,sadly this car also like so many fords got addicted to rust and is no longer with us,its heart got donated to keep another alive for longer.

[Bailgang]

your boss 302 was a windsor block?with clevo heads?our 302 clevo is a clevo block with clevo heads.

Nope the Boss 302 was different top to bottom from the other 302's sold here so yeah I guess you can say it was a Cleveland 302 while the others were Windsor 302's. I think you can swap heads from a Cleveland onto a Windsor, some mods have to be done so it's not a direct bolt on but it can be done. It's been a long time since I played with Fords so I can't say for sure but my very first car was a 69 Boss 302 Mustang.

[dave500]

Oh by the way, does that Mad Max car have a supercharger that can "start up" like the one in the movie did?

that button/switch on the shift lever is a common unit used on real old trucks here that had two speed diffs!perish the thought!

a quick google netted this.
The Boss 302 engine was a hybrid of small-block Ford V8s: it used the block of the small Ford Windsor engine and the heads of the larger Ford Cleveland engine. It was created for the SCCA's Trans-Am road racing series, and was fitted to the factory-made Boss 302 Mustangs of 1969-70.[1]

we had 302 clevelands all over the place here,cleveland block and heads,i remember guys drilling cleveland heads to bolt onto windsor blocks a long time ago,you cant tell externally a 302 from a 351 cleveland for sure here without looking inside the bore,the engine numbers mean nothing and they have no cid stamp or casting on them.

[Bailgang]

a quick google netted this.
The Boss 302 engine was a hybrid of small-block Ford V8s: it used the block of the small Ford Windsor engine and the heads of the larger Ford Cleveland engine. It was created for the SCCA's Trans-Am road racing series, and was fitted to the factory-made Boss 302 Mustangs of 1969-70.[1]

we had 302 clevelands all over the place here,cleveland block and heads,i remember guys drilling cleveland heads to bolt onto windsor blocks a long time ago,you cant tell externally a 302 from a 351 cleveland for sure here without looking inside the bore,the engine numbers mean nothing and they have no cid stamp or casting on them.

Even though I had a Boss 302 Stang it's original 302 was long gone and had a 4 barrel 351C in its place so I never really have had a good look at the Boss 302 engine and my google search came up with the same answer as you that the Boss 302 was a Windsor block with Clevo heads. My search also said the 302's Ford used in trans/am racing was called a tunnel port 302 and wasn't the same as the production Boss 302. This is getting interesting/confusing because I thought the intake manifolds ford used in the racing 302's (the intakes for the inline 4 barrel autolite carbs) worked on clevo heads as well so I wonder what the diff of the tunnel port 302 is. I'll have to do some research on that one. You knocked me out telling me about the Holden V8 a while back, this 302 Cleveland is knocking me out too.

I'm familiar with the switch on the shifter its just that as cool as the original Mad Max films were it was always a chuckle seeing the supercharger start up on its own in the movie.

[trueblue]

The 302 Clevo is eessentially a de-stroked 351.  Swap the the crank and rods out of a 351 into a 302 and you have a 351

[Bailgang]

I opened up a can of worms on the tunnel port 302. The way it looks it seems like its neither a windsor or clevo but instead and FE at least that's how I'm reading it and was a race only engine. It was used in other classes but only saw trans/am use in '68 then Ford switched to the Boss 302 in 69 and 70 and had to be based off production engines rather than race only.

[dave500]

thanks trueblue,,you have to look inside to be sure what engine your looking at if you really want to be sure,,you might buy a 302 car and later find its a 351!or visa versa,,the 351 had both two and four barrels,the 302 mostly two barrel, i think the 69/70 "xw"302 gt had four?holley came on the gt four barrel,motorcraft and thermoquad on the others?not really up on old ford stuff,i should be though,a factory hurst shifter came on the first "xr"gt with 289 in 67,along with stuart warner guages in the dash,i like the xr model,cept for the single circuit brakes that can be easily swapped out though.

[dave500]

fe=390?

[matchstikman]

Don't forget about the pursuit cars. Nice paint job. I was thinking of painting my subaru outback to match.

[Bailgang]

fe=390?

10 production engines fall into the FE series from a 332 all the way to a 428. Not exactly sure what engine series the tunnel port 302 falls into, could be a hybrid Y block for all I know. Here's a pic of the autolite inline 4 barrel carb Ford used on the trans/am prepped Boss 302's, it was race only and is very rare now days. It was supposed to put a Holley to shame but it never worked like they wanted it to.

[switchum]

I must say I still prefer Goose's Z1000. Or Toecutter's

[matchstikman]

Some cheaper one for sale here http://carsales.mobi/cars/details/?R=14896144

[matchstikman]

I read that those z1000 bikes were donated by kawasaki. They were brand new and were beat to help by the gang for weeks before filming

[cj750]

Australian Cleveland heads used a combination of the closed (high compression) combustion chamber of U.S. 4-barrel Cleveland/Boss heads, with port and valve sizes of U.S. 2-barrel Cleveland heads.

Although the heads were non-interchangeable, Ford built tunnel port versions of both the 302 (Windsor) and 427 (FE series.) In both cases the intake ports were so large that the pushrods had to run in special tubes that were in the intake tracts themselves, rather than between the ports as in a normal V8. The 427 version worked pretty well. The tunnel port 302 was a disappointment. The engine lacked bottom end torque, and had to be revved so hard to make power the bottom end wasn't durable enough for road racing. '68 was the only year Ford attempted to use it. In '69 they went went with Cleveland heads on a 302 block, creating the Boss 302 engine. Tunnel port 302s were never installed in a production vehicle or available to the general public. Boss 302s were available in Mustangs and Cougars in '69 and '70.

[matchstikman]

I'd love to have that fairing!

[kghost]

Some if not most of the boss 302s had 4 bolt mains.

If I recall 69-70 were the only years for the true boss 4 bolter

[trueblue]

Australian Cleveland heads used a combination of the closed (high compression) combustion chamber of U.S. 4-barrel Cleveland/Boss heads, with port and valve sizes of U.S. 2-barrel Cleveland heads.

The Australian 351 Clevo came with 2 different head options, one was the 2V which was pretty plain jane the other was the 4V was found on the GTHO and some others I think (I'm not that versed on the cars but I do know a little about the engines ).  The 4V has ports which you could lose a small cat in and valves to match.

[dave500]

the v stands for venturi,,some guys here still think 4v heads had four valves?

[Bailgang]

Australian Cleveland heads used a combination of the closed (high compression) combustion chamber of U.S. 4-barrel Cleveland/Boss heads, with port and valve sizes of U.S. 2-barrel Cleveland heads.

That actually sounds like a good combination to me because one of the issues with the Boss 302 was that it's 4 barrel head ports were almost too big for that size engine for street use, they would pull pretty hard once you got them wound up put were lame TQ wise at lower rpm's because of the huge ports. The 2 barrel heads as lame as they may be compared to the 4 barrel heads were still decent with plenty of potential and throw in the closed combustion chambers to bump up compression and that sounds like a decent cyl head. I'm used to Pontiac heads which aside from a rare RA4 or ultra rare RA5 heads are just plain lame even when fully ported. It's too bad that Clevo 302 was never sold here.

[trueblue]

the v stands for venturi,,some guys here still think 4v heads had four valves?

Yeah I've had a few guys say that to me

[kghost]

Well there was a SOHC 427......

All the true boss 302's were Windsor inspired blocks ( thicker walls an deck w 4 bolt mains) with Cleveland heads.

Oddly the Windsor were named after the Windsor Ontario Canada plant.

The clevelands after the Ohio USA plant.

The Windsor, Cleveland and FE series all ran concurrent and the Windsor is still made as a crate motor......

[KRONUS0100]

the blower coming on by itself is accomplished with an A/C clutch via a switch in driver cockpit. the blower pulley is machined to fit it.  the blower input shaft is machined to fit the backside of the A/C clutch.  very common mod here in the states.  incidentally the wieand 6-71 and 8-71 blowers are commonly available off old detroit diessel v6 and v8s.  just need to swap the actual intake plenum itself.

[Bailgang]

the blower coming on by itself is accomplished with an A/C clutch via a switch in driver cockpit. the blower pulley is machined to fit it.  the blower input shaft is machined to fit the backside of the A/C clutch.  very common mod here in the states.

 You did know the supercharger set up on the movie car was fake didn't you?

[Don R]

Maybe not so common. I've never seen one and I'm an (old) car nut. Been rodding and racing almost forever.

[Bailgang]

Maybe not so common. I've never seen one and I'm an (old) car nut. Been rodding and racing almost forever.

Yeah the A/C clutch thing had me going hmmm as well. It can take anywhere from 50 to 100 hp or more depending on its size and how overdriven the belts are to drive an old school roots type supercharger and I just don't see an average A/C clutch that's designed to handle maybe 10 hp draw from an A/C compressor being able to cope with it, that A/C clutch would have to be massive. Years ago I met Gary Dyer of Dyers Blower Service and got to take a tour of his shop and I didn't see any superchargers that had any sort of clutch drive. I'm not saying it can't be done it's just that I've yet to see one on that type of supercharger.