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Offline nivlac

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Carb Issue
« on: July 11, 2013, 09:20:47 PM »
I've got a 79 cb650. I HAD the carbs rebuilt last winter. Before it was worked on the choke had to be pulled in order to run at idle or pull under a load. The guy that was doing the work dropped the ball and didn't complete the job. The bike runs but pretty much the same way except it revs sometimes with the choke pulled and it revs sometimes with the choke off. Am I doomed to take these apart? I believe I can do it, (I rebuilt the BS34s on my kz1100 last month and it's running well). Do you think it's a step by step tear down and recleaning prior to reassembly according to the manual? We replaced the air box with pods, should I look into replacement of the box?

Offline jerry h

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Re: Carb Issue
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2013, 09:40:47 PM »
Hi,
If I were you, I'd take the carbs off and do a complete cleaning, then re-assemble and put the stock airbox back on.  The 650 does not like pods.  Well documented.  It can be done, but first get it running correctly with the stock set up, then modify from there. I had a 79 650, and it required choke until FULLY warmed up, unlike my 750 which requires about a minute or less. ;)
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Re: Carb Issue
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2013, 10:51:40 PM »
Go for it!

The symptoms you describe are common, and usually easy to fix.  Needing constant choke (to run/idle/pull hard) points to plugged pilot jets, and a removal and thorough cleaning of all brass jets is indicated.

If the bike ever ran well with the current intake filter setup, then it should run well again.  If you can't verify if it ever ran well with the current setup, going back to stock before assuming that it will run well is a good idea.

All the best,

Shane
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Re: Carb Issue
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2013, 06:53:49 PM »
Go for it!

The symptoms you describe are common, and usually easy to fix.  Needing constant choke (to run/idle/pull hard) points to plugged pilot jets, and a removal and thorough cleaning of all brass jets is indicated.

If the bike ever ran well with the current intake filter setup, then it should run well again.  If you can't verify if it ever ran well with the current setup, going back to stock before assuming that it will run well is a good idea.

All the best,

Shane

Looking at the Haynes manual I don't see pilot jets in the schematic, but only Pilot Adjuster Screw. Would that part of the carburetor  be under another name?

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Re: Carb Issue
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2013, 07:00:44 PM »
Also, should these carburetors be seperated?

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Re: Carb Issue
« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2013, 04:46:04 PM »
Go for it!

The symptoms you describe are common, and usually easy to fix.  Needing constant choke (to run/idle/pull hard) points to plugged pilot jets, and a removal and thorough cleaning of all brass jets is indicated.

If the bike ever ran well with the current intake filter setup, then it should run well again.  If you can't verify if it ever ran well with the current setup, going back to stock before assuming that it will run well is a good idea.

All the best,

Shane

Looking at the Haynes manual I don't see pilot jets in the schematic, but only Pilot Adjuster Screw. Would that part of the carburetor  be under another name?

Perhaps "intermediate jets" or "slow jets", they go by several different names, are usually right next to the main jets, smaller, and depending on exact type, may have a small emulsion tube as part of the jet itself.... but now that I'm looking at the schematic, yours are a bit different...

Looking at the schematic of your carburetors, and they do indeed have some differences, like an accelerator pump and air cutoff valve.  There is also a "screw set A" that's part of the assembly.  Here's the link:  http://www.cmsnl.com/honda-cb650-1979-usa_model472/partslist/E++1801.html#results

Your carburetors are more complex than some, but not really too bad.  In addition to removing all the float bowl components and making sure that carburetor cleaner shoots through the various passages, I would take the accelerator pump(s) apart to ensure that they are not crusted up inside.

Also, part number 19 in the diagram is the "holder, needle jet".  Get this thing out of there and make sure that the little tiny holes along it's sides are clear.  There should be about a dozen holes in this tube--they need to be clear, and sometimes don't come out with the main jet.

All the best,

Shane
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Re: Carb Issue
« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2013, 04:48:46 PM »
Also, should these carburetors be seperated?

If you can leave the bank together while working on them, there should not be a burning need to separate them.

That said, getting the accelerator pump(s) out and back together might be a squeeze with them together.

Shane
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