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Offline ddamron

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Doug's 75 CB550 Daily Driver Attempt
« on: August 29, 2013, 08:39:34 AM »
Hey there, everyone.

So, I'm currently working on my first ever bike. I'm no mechanic, so this has been a trial and error sort of process. I have a feeling I'm still in the very beginning stages of my process, so I thought I'd document everything here.

I bought a CB550 off of a guy a few miles away from me. It's in decent condition, was missing side covers and main jets (how does that happen?).

I've always wanted a cafe racer, so that's my goal here, but before I spend any money at all on things like paint, seat, bars, I'm trying to get the engine running right - and that is where I've been hung up for over a month.

The first hurdle was finding an airbox and the missing jets and clips - check that off as a success. After some fiddling I got it running, but it never sounded quite right (at least for very long). At one point it ran and sounded amazing, but wouldn't come back below 3K rpm after it got that high.

Sometime during the first week or two of having the bike I tore apart the caliper and sanded it down, replaced the gasket, etc. It works fine now.

After that I did some carb cleaning, swapped the new idle jets in for the old OEM jets that I had (one was broke, had to get a replacement from harisluv). At this time I also tried my hand at a 3000 mile tune up- and I'm thinking I didn't do the greatest job at it.

Finally after I got it all assembled, it seemed to be running well. I rode it around my neighborhood, but eventually I felt like I lost a lot of power. It turns out one of the idle jets had backed out. At this time I also replaced my spark plug caps, the old ones were actually glued onto the wires for some reason and were really bad for not working if the wires moved much (I know, they're screw on and I could have just trimmed the wire and cleaned them out, screwing them back on, but there was glue down in the cap keeping me from re-inserting the wire with a good connection and it wasn't coming out at all!).

That brings us up to this week. I got all of the issues I was aware of straightened out, started her up and she sounded rough, and tended to surge from time to time. I tried to sync the carbs, no luck. Today I'm going to go back and completely redo the 3000 mile tune up, I'm not confident in the work I did before and wouldn't be surprised if that was the culprit.

My complete list of symptoms as of right now:
1. Throttle is slow to come off of idle, if I pull the throttle too quickly it kind of putters out.
2. When the throttle is up, the RPMs fall off very slowly.
3. Engine is running kind of rough, I can hear a light tapping (this might be the tappets, again, not confident in my previous work).
4. Spark plugs look sooty - I put new spark plugs in early on in my attempts to get the bike running. The exhaust also looks kind of sooty, but that may be because when I first got this thing going it shot black crud out everywhere for an hour or so (What could have caused that? I know the bike sat for about ten years, could that be it?)
5. I have replaced the sooty spark plugs, and the new ones don't look that great now either.

Plans for the immediate future:

1. Lubricate moving parts in carburetor.
2. 3000 mile tune up - again.
3. carb synch.
4. Considering raising my jet clips.

Pictures coming later today!

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Re: Doug's 75 CB550 Daily Driver Attempt
« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2013, 10:29:20 AM »
Carbs like these are fairly binary in how they work as compared to say CV carbs. The slides are moved up and down manually via the throttle cables and return springs. If you release the throttle the slides should fall restricting fuel and air and reducing rev's.

If RPMS's are being held up at 3k then the slides are not closing enough. Have you adjusted the idle speed stop on the throttle shaft? Maybe the bike was dying on the PO and he tried to compensate by using the stop to limit how far the slides can close.

When you say you cleaned the carbs, what did you do?
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Re: Doug's 75 CB550 Daily Driver Attempt
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2013, 10:33:09 AM »
When cleaning the carbs I didn't soak them. I went all over the thing with carb cleaner / elbow grease, wires through small passages, made sure wires weren't getting hung up, etc.

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Re: Doug's 75 CB550 Daily Driver Attempt
« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2013, 10:34:29 AM »
Have you adjusted the idle speed stop on the throttle shaft? Maybe the bike was dying on the PO and he tried to compensate by using the stop to limit how far the slides can close.

Do you mean the idle screw? Yes, I've adjusted it, and in my most recent attempts it makes little difference once the RPMs are high.

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Re: Doug's 75 CB550 Daily Driver Attempt
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2013, 01:57:56 PM »
The slides govern airflow, which governs RPM's at idle. The only way the idle speed hangs at 3k rpms with this type of carb is because the slides aren't closing far enough.

If the slides are closing properly, overflowing fuel from something like a stuck float would just produce fouled plugs, not high idle speed.

I would focus my efforts on the moving parts of the fuel delivery system: the throttle sleeve, the throttle cable, the arm that connects the 4 carbs together, and the slides. One of those things is sticking and causing your idle issue.

Some part of that system is hanging up and not allowing the slides to fully close.
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Re: Doug's 75 CB550 Daily Driver Attempt
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2013, 05:38:37 PM »
Some progress!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuNKSp_QKvc&feature=youtube_gdata_player

As you can see in the video the throttle hang up is somewhat better. The tapping I suppose is the tappets?

I fixed the timing,  leaned out the idle screws and lowered the idle stop screw.

Extra question - the automatic cam chain adjuster screw doesn't seem to do anything when I let it out. I can turn the screw a few degrees and it stays put. I was watching a YouTube video on the subject and when the guy did the adjustment the screw would fight back to a certain position. Do I have a problem?

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Re: Doug's 75 CB550 Daily Driver Attempt
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2013, 10:38:36 AM »
I have done it! Lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81z8haF7n0s&feature=youtube_gdata_player

I completely re-did my 3k Tune up attempt, and based on some advice I adjusted the idle screws differently (set stop screw to
 desired rpm, lean air fuel screws out evenly until idle increases, slow down idle with stop screw, repeat in small increments until it didn't help anymore).

Now I'm going to hunt down a voltage drop at my headlights
I have a difference of about one volt when compared to the battery.

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Re: Doug's 75 CB550 Daily Driver Attempt
« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2013, 05:47:59 PM »
There is a good chance it's at the switch.
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Re: Doug's 75 CB550 Daily Driver Attempt
« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2013, 06:40:34 PM »
How would one go about figuring out if it is?

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Re: Doug's 75 CB550 Daily Driver Attempt
« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2013, 06:46:17 AM »
How would one go about figuring out if it is?

Using a multimeter set to DC voltage, put one lead to the voltage supply to the light switch and the other lead to the voltage output to the light. Whatever the voltage reading shows is your voltage drop. Hope that makes enough sense to figure out.

Now a quick question; did you find an exact cause for the RPM sticking at 3K? I believe I may be having the same issue on my bike that I recently got running.

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Re: Doug's 75 CB550 Daily Driver Attempt
« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2013, 07:58:18 AM »
I don't know if it was one thing in particular, but the three things that I did were :

1. I rechecked the timing and cam chain as per the maintenance manual. This made a big difference, my 1-4 timing was spot on but the 2-3 timing was a bit off.

2. I leaned out my air fuel mixture in small increments looking for increased idle speed, then lowered the idle set screw and repeated several times. I think too much fuel was coming through the idle jet and I originally over compensated with the idle set screw by allowing enough air to get past the slides to lean out the very rich idle mixture. This, again, made a huge difference.

3. I don't know if it made a difference, but I put in oem pilot jets based on some advice from here.

4. The 3k Tune up didn't hurt at all either.

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Re: Doug's 75 CB550 Daily Driver Attempt
« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2013, 07:09:39 AM »
OK guys, I'm back! The bike is running good, but the front brake is sticking! I've ordered a replacement master cylinder, piston, and brake line because none of those things were in great condition.

Also, this weekend is (hopefully) going to be a big cosmetic weekend! My lady is out of town for three days, so I'll be up all night wrenching. Here's the plan:

1. FIX BRAKES SO I DON'T DIE
2. Figure out how to mount this seat! I'm hoping velcro does the trick. http://www.dimecitycycles.com/vintage-cafe-racer-caferacer-chassis-seat-parts-rustic-horsehide-tan-brown-dcc-originals-leather-wrapped-one-up-racing-seat-dcc-lwrapcafe-hh.html
3. Paint the tank and side covers. I can't decide if I want to go metallic or not, but I'm thinking a medium dark gray (lighter than graphite, darker than silver).
4. Swap out bars for euro-bars, new grips, new mirrors.
5. Wrap exhaust.
6. New front tire, again so I don't die.

I know this is a lot of work, and I probably won't finish, but wish me luck!

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Re: Doug's 75 CB550 Daily Driver Attempt
« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2013, 07:22:52 AM »
Bike sounds much better! Good work.. Post a pic of your seat.. I have a cheap and effective way of mounting if you have a seat that works.... Cost literally 5 bucks and 15 min tops setting up..
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Re: Doug's 75 CB550 Daily Driver Attempt
« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2013, 12:18:51 PM »
I think with that one you can use your hardware from the stock seat.. should be plug and play for easy fitting.
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Re: Doug's 75 CB550 Daily Driver Attempt
« Reply #15 on: September 05, 2013, 01:14:16 PM »
nope. The bolts are approx 16" back from the front of the seat (according to dimensions given), the stock hinge is nowhere near there. If you've got some way I can mount this seat to the existing hinge, assuming the bolts aren't anywhere near close, I'd love to hear it!

I've read things about people using velcro, but I'm not sure if it works in this application.

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Re: Doug's 75 CB550 Daily Driver Attempt
« Reply #16 on: September 05, 2013, 08:57:45 PM »
Not one photo very dissappointing! :-[

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Re: Doug's 75 CB550 Daily Driver Attempt
« Reply #17 on: September 06, 2013, 04:46:59 AM »
I was thinking the same Lucky but he posted 2 vids... Better then nothing I guess. Noobies do not understand how much us old people like pics...

I do give credit though... First video you can hear the valves off... Second video adjusted correctly.
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Re: Doug's 75 CB550 Daily Driver Attempt
« Reply #18 on: September 06, 2013, 10:08:03 AM »
You want photos? You've got at least one!
Sorry about that guys.

This is my "before" picture. I've done mechanical repairs at this point, starting this weekend on aesthetics.
I was hoping to replace my brake lines this weekend, too, but my order is late.

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Re: Doug's 75 CB550 Daily Driver Attempt
« Reply #19 on: September 08, 2013, 05:24:06 PM »
Updates! Below is a picture of my new handlebars, I didn't feel like clubmans or clip ons were appropriate for me so I went the super bike route.

New grips, master cylinder, and levers are in this photo as well, if the picture looks terrible it's because I made a mess, will shine it all up tomorrow.

Btw, I had to sand my bars and throttle tube, it was a tight fit. I sanded through the powder coat on my bars, under the handle, to get free rotation.
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Re: Doug's 75 CB550 Daily Driver Attempt
« Reply #20 on: September 15, 2013, 06:35:01 PM »
Well I got everything painted, below is a pic...

Also, check out my post here for my latest problem: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=126761.msg1442392#msg1442392

« Last Edit: September 15, 2013, 06:36:59 PM by ddamron »

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Re: Doug's 75 CB550 Daily Driver Attempt
« Reply #21 on: September 18, 2013, 12:11:25 PM »
I've been driving the bike to work for a few days. It feels good.

I'm a little concerned about an oil leak (see the photo). It's not a real gusher, but my pants aren't happy.

Speedo isn't working correctly either.

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Re: Doug's 75 CB550 Daily Driver Attempt
« Reply #22 on: September 22, 2013, 02:54:58 PM »
Oil leak isn't that bad.  Stays pretty clean with some occasional wiping.

Now, for my next question, what exactly does can chain noise sound like? I'm trying to determine if mine is loose or if I'm just being too paranoid.

Here's a recent pic, you guys have made it clear you like those.

Btw, it's on the center stand because I was looking for the source of some speed wobble. Turned out the rim isn't laterally true, trying to get that fixed tomorrow.
« Last Edit: September 22, 2013, 02:58:19 PM by ddamron »