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Offline Short Round

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noise when in nuetral and the clutch is released.
« on: August 20, 2006, 08:46:58 PM »
hey all,
     anyone else get a noise on the 550S when they are in neutral with the clutch released at idle.  it just seems to be a bit noisy at the top of the engine near the valves.  They might just need to be tuned.   Let me know if any of you have this same noise.  Chris
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Re: noise when in nuetral and the clutch is released.
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2006, 08:54:18 PM »
Usually means a carb sync is in order.

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Re: noise when in nuetral and the clutch is released.
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2006, 03:43:20 AM »
Usually means a carb sync is in order.

Simple as that!

And you may need to adjust valve tappets and cam chain tensioner.  Does your clutch sound like it's full of rocks when it does this?
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Re: noise when in nuetral and the clutch is released.
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2006, 07:20:32 AM »
If it goes away when you pull the clutch in at neutral, it could just be a little noise from the clutch that is normal for these bikes.

Mine makes a little rattle when at neutral, and goes away when clutch is pulled in.  Everything shifts fine, so I'm not worried...

Its never a bad idea to check/adjust your valves, or to synchonize your carbs though...
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Re: noise when in nuetral and the clutch is released.
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2006, 10:57:39 AM »
Its never a bad idea to check/adjust your valves, or to synchonize your carbs though...

I concur. It's amazing the difference a complete going over makes to the sound/smoothness of the bike.
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Re: noise when in nuetral and the clutch is released.
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2006, 12:02:16 PM »
thanks guys I am definitely going to do all that has been suggested to me.  Adjusting the valves I can do myself, and I have a guy that is a wiz with carbs that is going to make sure that they are in sync ( I'm pretty sure they are because I just rebuilt and synced them but it never hurts to let someone else do a once over).  Thanks again- Chris
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Re: noise when in nuetral and the clutch is released.
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2006, 12:42:35 PM »
did you synchronize using a manometer???  if not, you can get one from JCWhitney that isn't too expensive, and very handy for any of these old bikes.  its very easy to use...and it will definitely smooth out the idle if out of synch.

if you do a full tune up, start with adjusting the cam chain tension and valves before you check points and timing/ignition.  if you make any carb adjustments, make sure you then check your timing and point gap as they may have been slightly altered from the carb changes.  don't forget to check idle mixture settings, that will throw off a good idle as well.

my problem is that i want everything to be absolutely PERFECT, but keep in mind that an engine with 30 year old carbs and mechanical ignition is not going to idle or behalf like a fuel injected electronic ignition computer controlled engine.  BUT I am constantly impressed by how good you can get these motors to run if kept properly in tune!!!
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Re: noise when in nuetral and the clutch is released.
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2006, 11:29:12 PM »
yeah the noise now that I took her for a ride and got off a few times to listen correctly sound as though as it is coming from the clutch/trans.  What it is I havn't a clue.  The clutch seems to be adjusted correctly.  The only thing I can think of is it might be a clutch plate.  I may just rebuild it this winter.  Seems to be doing fine right now though. 
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Re: noise when in nuetral and the clutch is released.
« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2006, 04:15:14 AM »
When your carbs aren't sync'd with a manometer to make sure each cylinder receives the exact same vacuum, one cylinder might get more/less fuel than the others, making it "fight" with the others on the crankshaft.  This vibration translates into a rattle in the clutch, along with a general "not feeling well" running situation.  Go get the tune up done before you go making any assumptions.

And remember, this bike is 30+ years old, it's bound to speak its' mind through any manner of clanks for ticks!

By the way, a bench carb sync after a rebuild isn't going to be exact enough.  Go get the manometer or have you friend do it ;)
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