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Rajay Turbo for CB750
« on: September 04, 2006, 03:56:34 PM »
So, who can tell me anything about this turbo?

I might be picking up a 1975 CB750F with a Rajay Turbo and Rickman fairing - turbo was apparantly installed back in 1975.  18K miles on the engine.  One owner.  Has been in a barn for 12 years.

Thoughts?
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Re: Rajay Turbo for CB750
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2006, 04:24:50 PM »
If it works, not a lota bucks and you want it,..go for it.

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Re: Rajay Turbo for CB750
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2006, 04:53:34 PM »
Thoughts? Huhm, how about a seat belt and a parachute to slow you down?

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Re: Rajay Turbo for CB750
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2006, 05:02:16 PM »
It's all in one piece, and turns over with the electric start.  Doesn't fire up however.  Good fairing (cracked windscreen), good original paint tank/seat/sidecovers, 18K engine, the turbo...

Might be an interesting winter project  ;D
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Re: Rajay Turbo for CB750
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2006, 05:16:45 PM »
Hang on to it real tight....there was one on sale in OZ a while go - it looked awesome.... like to see a picture if possible... :)

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Re: Rajay Turbo for CB750
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2006, 05:24:02 PM »
Here's the pic... very tempting.
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Re: Rajay Turbo for CB750
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2006, 05:27:15 PM »
I just did a Homer Simpson ddddrrrrrrrroooooooolllllllllll    :) :)

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Re: Rajay Turbo for CB750
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2006, 05:30:38 PM »
Here's the pic... very tempting.
A 75 F. Mine used to look like that ;D That could be made in to an in tersesting ride.
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Re: Rajay Turbo for CB750
« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2006, 05:37:47 PM »
Here's the pic... very tempting.
A 75 F. Mine used to look like that ;D That could be made in to an in tersesting ride.

Judging by the fact the bike has had the turbo on for 30+ years, 20 of which were on the road, I'd summise the addition of the turbo doesn't make this into an unmanageable monster?  I've always associated the turbo's with drag racing.  Of course, the 401 highway up here is pretty much a top-fuel commute for many anyhow.

I'm going to see if I can work out a deal with the guy.  I'm going to have to put my 550 out at my friend's place to make room for playing with this beast in my garage.  Don't think I'll get carbs or original exhaust with it, as the turbo bits were put on in 1975.

Any concerns or things to look for in the turbo itself?  I know NOTHING about turbo's.
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Re: Rajay Turbo for CB750
« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2006, 05:39:25 PM »
Oh - and would it be safe to say the Rickman fairing has been cut to fit the turbo?  Just need to keep the worst-case scenario of parting it out in mind.
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Re: Rajay Turbo for CB750
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2006, 05:43:13 PM »
Low miles would make me think the turbo bearings are OK. I'd go through the waste gate ....especially the spring...and see what's whats. What carb is on there??
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Re: Rajay Turbo for CB750
« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2006, 05:47:07 PM »
If the price is right, I'd jump all over it.

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Re: Rajay Turbo for CB750
« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2006, 06:50:15 PM »
Rajay turbos have an unenviable reputation in light piston aircraft. They've been around since at least the early 1960s and parts should still be available, if costly.

Motorcycle engines and light piston aircraft engines share two traits: They're both air-cooled and have minimal exhaust systems.

Part of the reason Rajays weren't univerally liked in aircraft had to do with their wastegates, which are sort of like a second throttle (the wastegate determines how much boost the engine gets -- close the wastegate for more boost, open it for less). Unsurprisingly, there were two main types: manual and automatic. The automatic versions frequently got out of adjustment and the manual ones typically got forgotten by the pilot. In either case, engine damage often resulted from overboosting.

A third type of installation involves a fixed wastegate. In this design, there is no way to control the wastegate but overboosting -- and "bootstrapping" (the faster you go, the faster you go...) -- can be a problem.

Nowadays, turbos in piston aircraft are relatively bulletproof, thanks to advanced engineering of the controller and better understanding of the engine's cooling requirements, and how to meet them. Typically, turbocharged piston aircraft engines either run fairly rich mixtures (the excess fuel is used to help cool the cylinders) or lean ones (up to 100 degrees F lean of peak turbine inlet temperature) in which excess air helps cool the cylinders. New turbo installations in piston aircraft typically use automatic wastegates hydraulically controlled with engine oil. Separately and regardless of the type of wastegate, operators are typically advised to allow the engine to idle for a few minutes before shutting down, allowing the turbine to spool down before oil circulation is stopped to prevent bearing damage and/or cooking the oil.

So, putting an aftermarket turbo on a motorcycle would raise a few questions:

1. How is the wastegate controlled? If manual, is there anything in the installation designed to prevent overboosting? Is there a "boost gauge" of some sort? If automatic, how is it controlled?

2. How are the carbs jetted? At low turbo output, less fuel would be necessary to achieve an efficient mixture but, at high output, more fuel is necessary.

3. When a turbo is involved, engine oil gets a workout. What kind of oil was used in the engine and how often was it changed?

4. What are the compression numbers in the cylinders? (Hint: lower compression and compression ratios will help prevent detonation at high power settings.)

I'd guess the wastegate is fixed, for simplicity and to prevent having to manipulate another "throttle." If so, is it adjustable?

Having said all that, I'd guess the turbo isn't doing all that much work in this installation and that much of the aforementioned is not a huge concern. Pay attention to the oil, oil lines, cooling and potential for overboosting. Let the turbo spool down for a few minutes before shutting off the engine. I wouldn't run it at high power in lower gears unless I was in cool weather -- keep air flowing over the heads when the turbo is spooled up.

And if you ride it at night, do tell us if the turbo housing gets hot enough to glow...

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Re: Rajay Turbo for CB750
« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2006, 07:22:34 PM »
Thanks for the great input on turbos - the bike has a single carb with a 4 into 1 manifold.  Apparantly the turbo compresses the mixture post-carb, not the intake air.

Should be an interesting and educational experience.  Just working out the final details with the seller and am waiting on some more pics.  Will post with more details, but I'm planning on buying the bike.  I have to figure out what to tell the wife when I dedicate my one-car garage to two 30+ year old bikes  :o  I think my 550 will be heading to my friend's house for the winter.
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Re: Rajay Turbo for CB750
« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2006, 07:51:52 PM »
I wonder what the Rickman would look like on the 550... hmmm.... very Ducati SS esque.  Looks like the fairing has been customized for the turbo however, so not sure.  The turbo would be nice all exposed on a naked 750F in my opinion.  Might have to strip off the fairing and swap it onto my 550 'cafe' with a proper tank and seat.
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Re: Rajay Turbo for CB750
« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2006, 08:08:07 PM »
I am drooling, keep us posted with pics!!!
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Re: Rajay Turbo for CB750
« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2006, 08:42:23 PM »
It would look mean as hell with just the turbo on the F..plus dumping the fairing from that bike will allow more airflow over the head. if you feel the need for a fairing still on it perhaps a Dunstall type would suit the turbo? Airtech still makes Dunstalls if you decide to go that way. Chances are the wastegate may be like a cars..once it hits a certian boost level it opens to release the excess. if not...look into a vaccum operated wastegate for a car turbo set up.
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Re: Rajay Turbo for CB750
« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2006, 08:49:30 PM »
Maybe I'll stretch the swingarm and look into vintage drag racing :)
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« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2006, 08:55:34 PM »
Now ya talkin boy,....way to go. 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) ;)
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Re: Rajay Turbo for CB750
« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2006, 09:16:06 PM »
I guess this must be a '76 engine or it's been spraybombed black along with the forks?
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Re: Rajay Turbo for CB750
« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2006, 10:05:39 PM »
Maybe I'll stretch the swingarm and look into vintage drag racing :)

Now that is the way to go with that beast!
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Re: Rajay Turbo for CB750
« Reply #21 on: September 05, 2006, 01:06:58 PM »
When you get it, check to see if there is any play in the impeller shaft. Pop off the hose on the compressor side and wiggle the shaft a bit to see if it moves.  Also spin the compressor wheel.  It should spin freely.  Look inside to see that the blades haven't touched the sides.  If there is play you might have to rebuild it.  You shouldn't have a problem finding a rebuild kit, they sell them for any turbo. 
Definitely a cool find. 8)
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Re: Rajay Turbo for CB750
« Reply #22 on: September 05, 2006, 02:26:21 PM »
mate i cant beleive you are asking our opinion.... ITS TURBO"D!!!........ i would have bought it and worried if it was a danger to society after wards ;D :D..

i want i want i want i want!!!!!!!!   way cool mate, and if it is a good price, go for it, great peice of performance history there...


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Re: Rajay Turbo for CB750
« Reply #23 on: September 05, 2006, 03:11:17 PM »
Yeah yeah - I'm working on it - might be in my garage this week!
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Re: Rajay Turbo for CB750
« Reply #24 on: September 05, 2006, 10:03:37 PM »
get it get it get it get it get it get it get it get it get it get it get it get it..... lol...slam that #$%* and make it a sweet drag bike!
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