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motorcycleclaude75

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I'm about to give up!
« on: August 20, 2006, 08:45:26 AM »
Hey All,

I'm at the stage that I'm about to get rid of my beloved 72 CB500.  I've owned this bike for last 14 years but this year has been the worst.

It all began in late June when I burnt a valve.  I opted to switch engines with a used one and this is where the fun began.

I had electrical problems, cam chain, pressure switch, neutral light issues.  I thought I had them all sorted out last Thursday.

I had just finished setting synching my carbs after cleaning them again!  The bike was just purring, idling like it should be, reving normal, engine was quiet.

It was about 9pm and I couldn't resist a test ride.  The bike was running great for the first 5 minutes then it started sputtering, almost like running out of fuel or electrical problem.  I put the choke and it seemed to help slightly.

I barely made it back home.  I was pissed  >:(

The next day, I cleaned the main jets, slow jets and installed new in-line filters.  Replaced points and condensers, set my points, timing, cam chain, put in a fresh battery, fresh gas, changed plugs, tested spark, tested charging and god knows what else.

Started the bike and it does the same thing as soon as it warms out.  It seems like it's running OK at idle but as soon as you try to ride, there is no power.

I'm stumped and about to give up. :(  Could it be the electrical that's heating up?  I checked and rechecked the carbs, and cleaned them.

Sorry for the rant but I am tired on working on this bike, It has ruined my summer.  I've already spent enough time and money, I'm determined not to bring it to a shop, I should be able to fix it.

Offline kaceyf2

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Re: I'm about to give up!
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2006, 09:14:05 AM »
Hya there bro, DONT GIVE UP!! (REALLY),
For instance, my F2 was taken off the road nearly three years ago, for what should have been an engine rebuild, BUT, one thing led to another, shortage of funds happened, life happened, many things went wrong, and its still not finished ( but everything that is looks stunning!!)......AND it will be finished for next summer, whatever happens!!
Anyways, one thought i had about yours,was this..........You burnt a valve in the old motor? yes? and you replaced the motor with another unit. I bet you used the carbs that were attached to your old motor?
in other words, a "new to you" motor went in , but you used the carbs off your old motor right?
RIght, if this is correct, then did you find the CAUSE of a "burnt valve"???  Because one thing that will definately "burn a valve" is running to LEAN, and guess what? If your bike responds well to "Pulling on the choke" ( because when its warmed up it SHOULD NOT) then that would suggest it is "Still running lean" and the common denominator here is "The carb mounting rubbers" which if split or cracked and drawing in air,would cause it to "run lean"
Make your first port of call to take them off,examine them one at a time, (properly) and if they are split cracked or even old and hard, then change them for new ones, while you are at it,  check that the retaining clips are doing their job, and tightening up properly.

If there is no joy here, go back to the carbs, and work your way through them AGAIN, I know, I know its a bind, but the evidence points to running lean. check float height,clean out the jets meticulousely. and remember, a set of carbs thats set up and balanced for one engine will not be set up and balanced for another engine, as NO two motors are the same.
good luck, and when it feels like you arent gonna get there, remember, YOU WILL!
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Re: I'm about to give up!
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2006, 09:38:57 AM »
I'm at the stage that I'm about to get rid of my beloved 72 CB500...

I'm at that stage where I'm looking for a nice lime green CB500 to work on...Where you at??   ;D
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Re: I'm about to give up!
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2006, 10:23:36 AM »
don't give up half the fun of these old bikes is fixing them yourself  ;),   mick.
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Re: I'm about to give up!
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2006, 10:27:24 AM »
p.s , i go with the running lean or weak , had similar issues with my 750, i am running pod filters and standard 4 into 4 pipes , first time out on standard jets would'nt pull without choke, upjetted and now runs strong just needs carbs balancing , mick.
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Re: I'm about to give up!
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2006, 12:45:12 PM »
I have an old cl175 that would do that. Run great till you got out of town a few miles and die!! Had to small of fuel line and the gas wouldn't flow fast enough at high speed to keep it running. Ran fine around town. I'd say it has to be something like that. Will the bike start back up after sitting a few minutes? By the way, the 1970 cl 175 I have is for sale!!
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Re: I'm about to give up!
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2006, 12:49:00 PM »
Clogged vent in the gas cap...Mine would occasionally do what you're describing, and that was my problem.

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Re: I'm about to give up!
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2006, 01:59:07 PM »
I'm at the stage that I'm about to get rid of my beloved 72 CB500...

I'm at that stage where I'm looking for a nice lime green CB500 to work on...Where you at??   ;D

Ok,thats just mean. ;) Hey this is Don in TN. I had the exhaust question a couple of weeks ago on for my 74 CB550. I was just wondering if you ordered a new set of pipes from mrcycles for your 500? If you did how did they work out? I was wondering because I just dropped about 6 bills on a set myself. Let me know when you can.

motorcycleclaude75

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Re: I'm about to give up!
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2006, 04:42:38 PM »
Hey All,

By the way i'm in Nova Scotia, Canada but I haven't decided to sell yet.

Thanks for all the encouragement.

It's just so frustrating because I'm too busy this week, the only time I can take a look at it is this Friday and the summer is pretty much over.

Try, try again , I guess.  :(

How often do fuel lines clog?  The fuel filters seem to fill with gas but maybe it's not getting enough fuel.  How do I check the tank vent?

Hopefully I'll have better news next week.

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Re: I'm about to give up!
« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2006, 05:29:14 PM »
Aside from the clogged gas cap vent possibility, I had a KZ750 that would start and run just fine until the bike got warm and then it would just not wanna take any gas beyond idle.  It turned out that one of the coils had a short, actually a broken winding.  The coil was located on the frame above the engine, and as the engine warmed up and heated the coil, the wire would move and the connection would be broken.  See if it's your coil(s).

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Re: I'm about to give up!
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2006, 06:39:18 PM »
sounds like you don't have enough restriction to the airflow or leaky carb boots on the front OR on the backside of the carbs.  you can check them by spraying carb cleaner around the seal of the boots and listen for a change of RPM.  if you're sucking air around on of those boots, it would do exactly what you're talking about.

check your float height, too..
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motorcycleclaude75

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Re: I'm about to give up!
« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2006, 09:19:19 AM »
Thanks all.

I'll have to check this stuff on Friday, I can't get to it before then.

How do you check the coils?  Someone else mentioned this to me also, I thought you needed special equipment to check them.


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Re: I'm about to give up!
« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2006, 09:56:17 AM »
After reading several posts, I noticed I might of forgot an important piece of information.

After I replaced my points and condensers with new stuff, I was checking the dwell with a meter.

When I connected the meter to the ground, the bike's rpm would drop and almost die.  What would cause this?

Also I noticed some arcing between the bolt (the one to turn the engine over) and the points for cylinders 2-3( the ones on the right). Why do I get arcing, I replaced them the same way they were installed?

I hope this helps

Zip

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Re: I'm about to give up!
« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2006, 03:26:00 PM »
How do you check the coils?  Someone else mentioned this to me also, I thought you needed special equipment to check them.

Without special equipment: If you have two coils on your 4-cyl bike, check the plugs after you have ridden it and see if the two plugs for one coil or the other are black, indicating a rich condition, meaning that that coil is not providing (enough) fire.  If your bike has one coil you'll need to sub in a coil from another bike to see if it runs well.

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Re: I'm about to give up!
« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2006, 03:36:17 PM »
Are you able to take a close up pic of your points? The only thing I could see is if something was not grounding correctly or if you are making some type of bad connection with your meter.

motorcycleclaude75

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Re: I'm about to give up!
« Reply #15 on: September 05, 2006, 09:47:30 AM »
Hey Guys,

Finally some good news.  After almost giving up, I finally got the bike running good.  One important lesson, never underestimate carb problems, they are the source of many problems.

I ended up having something clogged in my fuel system.

I drained the tank, cleaned the petcock, cleaned all jets, replaced fue lines.  The bike then pissed fuel on the ground, this is when I knew I was close since something had to dislodge to cause the leaking because my carbs weren't leaking beforehand.

I then pinpointed which carb was leaking, took the bowl off (again!), cleaned the jets and the valve seat (little spring that float hits) and I finally found little bits of rust stuck up there.

I reassembled, the leaking stopped and it runs GREAT! :P

Since then I rode about 500 miles without a problem and a smile on my face  8). Before I couldn't get 5 miles away from home.

Thanks for the help and support.

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Re: I'm about to give up!
« Reply #16 on: September 05, 2006, 04:29:57 PM »
 ;D great job done ;D, so you'll see you must never give up there's always an solution, just dig into the problem and it can be solved 8)

great that it's running ok now, enjoy what's left of the summer
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Re: I'm about to give up!
« Reply #17 on: September 05, 2006, 07:09:47 PM »
Well... since it's running again, I'll give you $25 more than Mr Puppytrax
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