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Offline Jhurls

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complete electrical failure
« on: July 01, 2014, 08:36:43 PM »
Hello,

I have a 1977 cb 550

I just replaced the battery and I was riding with a friend when it suddenly just died. All electrical things just quit working,  all of the fuses are good and the battery connections are good.

anybody have any ideas on what the problem is?

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Re: complete electrical failure
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2014, 08:48:48 PM »
Fuse sometimes look good but could actually be bad. 
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Re: complete electrical failure
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2014, 08:53:08 PM »
Fuse sometimes look good but could actually be bad. 

+1, check them with an ohmmeter.  And clean the fuse holder, could be a bad connection.
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Re: complete electrical failure
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2014, 09:52:06 PM »
Clean both ends of the battery cables and the ground attachment point, then tighten the connections securely. Could also be a battery failure.

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Re: complete electrical failure
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2014, 11:54:41 PM »
check the fuse box. they are a known failure point.
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Re: complete electrical failure
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2014, 05:51:39 AM »
check where the ground wires in harness attach to frame.even tho the battery ground cable is attached you still need the harness grounded
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« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2014, 05:57:45 AM »
pull the fuse holder...take the back plastic plate off..and thek for meldet plastic..and loose koneksions...if it not are 100% ok..thange to new type fuse/holder..the flat type..
it are easy to remove the viring/fuseholder  they have ther one vire/konekter..thek it also for bad konnektion
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Re: complete electrical failure
« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2014, 06:19:10 AM »
check where the ground wires in harness attach to frame.even tho the battery ground cable is attached you still need the harness grounded
Yes, this and the fuse block.

My 750 shut off a few times, and the ignition switch was the culprit.
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Re: complete electrical failure
« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2014, 06:36:32 AM »
Make sure also that your ignition switch pigtail has not pulled apart at the connectors, especially if you have one of those relocation brackets up by the upper triple/handlebar area. Happened to me on a 750.

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Re: complete electrical failure
« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2014, 09:32:14 AM »
I second the check of the ignition switch.  Sometimes the connector at the bottom fails or comes loose (especially if it is an Emgo switch).

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Re: complete electrical failure
« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2014, 10:38:16 AM »
thanks everyone for your ideas, I will give all of these things a try and get back to you all

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Re: complete electrical failure
« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2014, 11:36:51 AM »
Cleaned up the fuse connections and electricity is back on and the bike is back in commission. Thanks everyone!

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« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2014, 01:52:52 PM »
Cleaned up the fuse connections and electricity is back on and the bike is back in commission. Thanks everyone!

Good to hear.   We knew it would be minor.  Might be a good idea to clean up all of your connections on the bike.
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Re: complete electrical failure
« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2014, 06:01:03 PM »
Cleaned up the fuse connections and electricity is back on and the bike is back in commission. Thanks everyone!

Good to hear.   We knew it would be minor.  Might be a good idea to clean up all of your connections on the bike.

Yes and insulate with some sort of dielectric grease or liquid electrical tape.
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Re: complete electrical failure
« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2014, 10:44:57 AM »
I am having the same issue, once again.... What is a good way to clean the connections up/ would it be best just to replace them, the connections for the main fuse are noticeable darker and look more beat up then the others and the soldering looks worse as well. Idk if this has something to do with it.

I also noticed someone said something above about replacing the holder to one that works with the modern square fuses, is that easily done?

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Re: complete electrical failure
« Reply #15 on: July 05, 2014, 10:58:26 AM »
I am having the same issue, once again.... What is a good way to clean the connections up/ would it be best just to replace them, the connections for the main fuse are noticeable darker and look more beat up then the others and the soldering looks worse as well. Idk if this has something to do with it.

I also noticed someone said something above about replacing the holder to one that works with the modern square fuses, is that easily done?
Pull apart each bullet connector. I go over the male end with emery paper lightly to remove oxidation. The female ends can be cleaned with a .17 gauge rifle bore cleaning brush, which will fit inside and can be the twirled to remove the female oxidation. Spray them with contact cleaner, apply a dab of dielectric grease and reconnect. If not connecting solidly I sometimes crimp the female end ever so slightly to provide a tighter connection. Spend a day doing every bullet connector on the bike. The .17 gauge brush also works well to clean the OEM fuse holders from the inside. Hondaman makes a great replacement fuse block if you want to start with modern fuses.

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Re: complete electrical failure
« Reply #16 on: July 05, 2014, 11:51:40 AM »
There's a CB750 plug-in replacement fusebox but I don't know if it is plug and play for a 550:
http://sohc4shop.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=48

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Re: complete electrical failure
« Reply #17 on: July 05, 2014, 01:57:15 PM »
its easy to remove the fuse holder..and the short viring..to the konnektor

...then it can be kleaned/glasblast the holders...or bay a standart fuseholder..and  build the viring over .
..or build a new viring..its only 6 vires 30 cm long...and easy to ´fix..or take the komponents to somone who can make it

i bayes the komponents..and made a nev..and used the old to reference..the colors and konektors...they can also be bayed as new..or thanged to a better desein..evt bullet konnektors..then cut the box konnektors off
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