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A learning experience... the hard way.
« on: June 28, 2014, 03:24:02 PM »
So hey… give me your thoughts please. 

I bought a used but freshly re-painted tank and side cover set at a decent price of $900.00 from an ebay auction this June. Plus shipping and exchange of our dollar, about $1100.00.  The seller did his part and shipped it out to my Canadian address. Turns out, the item went to ebay’s Global International shipping center in Kentucky. Shortly, I received an email from ebay that stated “the item is restricted in Canada”, also, “you will receive a full refund in 72 hours”.

Well a happy ending in the fact that I received a full refund in exactly 11 days not 3 days like the letter said.

But here’s the thing. Used fuel tanks are not prohibited in Canada, a fact confirmed by Canada Border Services Agency.

After a terrible delay in getting answers to my questions, ebay customer services admit that the tank was not actually restricted in Canada. I gave them proof in writing from USPS and the CBSA.  The tank was deemed hazmat by their “Global shipping Specialist”.  Basically an independent company contracted by ebay to manage and arrange shipping carriers to deliver items to other countries-as explained by ebay c/s. The email I received further explained that a used fuel tank, no matter how clean and dry is considered “hazardous” by their specialist.

It get’s worse. The Global Shipping center does not return such items to the seller. Without delay, discussion or notification, they sent the tank off for “liquidation”. Whatever or whoever that is. I know our border authorities seize goods that are illegal for entry into their particular country, however, no shipping center should ever act like their own independent super power and seize other people’s property at their discretion.  If an item is seized by the border, there’s an appeal process. Not with the Global shipper. No appeals.

Ebay c/s told me “there’s nothing we can do once the item has been sent for liquidation” and ”you’ve been refunded your money so good luck in the future”.

That’s called theft in my country no matter how much cash is thrown in my face. One can’t justify it by saying
“you can just go get another, we’re keeping this one, take our money and go away”.  What If I place more value in the item than the cash?

So yes, I can walk away. It’s only a cb 750 tank. I can get another repainted. I don’t know how a seller fairs in this sh*t deal but I know he won’t deal with me again or another Canadian or other I am sure.

Ebay c/s also stated that other shipping carriers will ship a used tank to Canada so they cautioned me to ensure a seller doesn’t use their Global shipping center in the future.  Nice advice a little too late.

Mostly, this is to assist others to not make this mistake.  Why wouldn’t they seize carbs, fuel pumps, oil tanks as well? Are the sellers left holding the bag?  what it this was a high dollar mint sandcast tank or some super rare high dollar Harley, Indian or Norton tank or part?  So be aware.

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Edit July 1 2014
I have added a copy/paste of the ebay customer service rep's reply to my questions.  USA ebay seller please note*** Global International Shipping is not mandatory and as others have pointed out, cheaper for everybody if you don't select that method when shipping outside of the USA.  Signed Albertaboy.

June 27 2014 reply to Albertaboy
"First off, I'm sorry that you did not receive your item. The Global Shipping Program is a third party service and has its own internal policies and rules as to what can be shipped. You are correct; Canadian Customs never denied entry of this item. The shipper saw what it was and simply refused to ship the item further based upon their own prerogative. You see, because the shipper ships to so many different companies they have instituted blanket restrictions on what can be sent to streamline the delivery process. The gas tank may well be able to pass through Canadian Customs, but because it can't clear so many other countries in the world, it cannot be sent through the Global Shipping Program. I checked out your other tank and see that the item was not sent through the Global Shipping Program, so it would appear you are correct and this can pass into Canada. Now mistakes do happen, but I think it is safe to assume that you will never successfully receive an item that once contained gasoline through the Global Shipping Program.

Sadly, once an item has been liquidated, there is no appeal process. I can see how this might seem like a roulette system but in truth, it is not. I am a Global Shipping Program expert but I am not a customs expert. We do outsource customs knowledge to our shipper. Clearly, I would think it safe to assume, based upon your previous successful transaction and your interaction with Canadian Customs, that gas tanks can be shipped into Canada. Unfortunately, such items will not clear through the Global Shipping Program. I would recommend that in any transaction you engage in with an item prohibited by the Global Shipping Program, that you make sure it is not in said program or that the seller is willing to ship it directly. You should have no further problems if you adhere to this dictum.

Once again, I am very sorry that your item was unable to be delivered. I regret that there is no appeal once an item has been liquidated. And I'm sorry if the procedure of the Global Shipping Program was inadequately explained. Rest assured, that you should be able to purchase such items without concern so long as they are not in this program. Thank you for your understanding.

Best Regards,

Dan K.

eBay"
« Last Edit: July 02, 2014, 08:21:26 AM by albertaboy »
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Re: A learning experience... the hard way.
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2014, 03:33:21 PM »
WTF?  I'd love to hear the seller's reaction....
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« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2014, 03:43:27 PM »
What the Ef?! Alberta, next time you need something shipped to you that you buy from the US via eBay, ship it to me, I'll ship it to you. That will alleviate this fiasco!

I never disclose what parts "are" only "metal" body parts. I also do thoroughly clean tanks and such really well so there's no fumes to alarm anyone. Never had a problem- sorry for you and the seller.
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« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2014, 06:09:05 PM »
Man that sux...Sure want to hear the sellers thoughts.
 Never, heard of the global shipping center..
 
Just one more thing I hate about ebay...

 And also what is up with USPS saying a lot of parcels HAVE to go PRIORITY. Post.. They don't even arrive faster..just another MONEYSUCKING..deal..I am thinking..
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« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2014, 08:38:35 PM »
What the Ef?! Alberta, next time you need something shipped to you that you buy from the US via eBay, ship it to me, I'll ship it to you. That will alleviate this fiasco!

I never disclose what parts "are" only "metal" body parts. I also do thoroughly clean tanks and such really well so there's no fumes to alarm anyone. Never had a problem- sorry for you and the seller.

That's a really cool offer, much appreciated. In ebay's own words, don't let a seller ship via their Global system and a fuel tank would successfully ship to Canada. I should be ok next time. I think however, I approach a local painter next.... 
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« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2014, 08:52:13 PM »
Man that sux...Sure want to hear the sellers thoughts.
 Never, heard of the global shipping center..
 
Just one more thing I hate about ebay...

 And also what is up with USPS saying a lot of parcels HAVE to go PRIORITY. Post.. They don't even arrive faster..just another MONEYSUCKING..deal..I am thinking..

Regarding the seller's reaction. Initially, I thought his reaction was out of character. He replied "Sorry for your frustration, good luck with your restoration".  Doesn't sound like someone tore up about losing anything at all.  I re read one of the very first customer service reply emails from a few days ago. Here's a copy paste of what they told me" the item is under one of our restricted categories, our hub will not proceed with the shipment and will liquidate the item in order retrieve some asset back. They will then allow the seller to keep the money while paying the buyer in full"

It looks like ebay is protecting a seller as well. That's good news.  Still, how is liquidating more cost effective that a small return shipping fee returning the item back to the seller.  I suspect they are taking the most easy route for them, totally writing off what anyone with a vested interest thinks of it. Probably a small cost of doing business covered by their profit margin.  Grrrr makes me so livid. I spit nails thinking about it. 
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« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2014, 09:28:36 PM »
The seller can easily avoid that problem by clicking off a box while He/She is setting up their auction to "not use" the Global Shipping and then be able to simply print a label and ship it directly himself with no "middle men". Think E-bay likes to leave it 'on' and they try to encourage it. I have a friend in Canada that I sell old antique furniture hardware to and He will not even bid on items from the US on E-bay that use Global shipping because it also cost so much more to feed the "Middle Man". 
   Makes me wonder how much more money E-bay makes on that little money grabbing scam  ::)
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« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2014, 09:36:47 PM »
Yeah that sucks. Yamiya sell new painted CB750 tanks for $793.00 US, so why not buy one from them and just get your sidecovers locally, or buy there's in the correct matching color?

Being new, you don't have to worry about rust holes, bondo, failed liners or stupid eBay rules. Cheers, Terry. ;D

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« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2014, 06:50:43 PM »
Yeah that sucks. Yamiya sell new painted CB750 tanks for $793.00 US, so why not buy one from them and just get your sidecovers locally, or buy there's in the correct matching color?

Being new, you don't have to worry about rust holes, bondo, failed liners or stupid eBay rules. Cheers, Terry. ;D

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« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2014, 07:51:05 PM »
Yeah that sucks. Yamiya sell new painted CB750 tanks for $793.00 US, so why not buy one from them and just get your sidecovers locally, or buy there's in the correct matching color?

Being new, you don't have to worry about rust holes, bondo, failed liners or stupid eBay rules. Cheers, Terry. ;D

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Terry, I've strongly considered Yamiya. I've spent a bunch there already.  Yamiya told me they don't have a match for Flake Apricot Red.  A minor detail, but their repo tank is pre 72 with the right hand petcock. My 1975 was a lefty but for all the reasons you describe, I'd consider overlooking it.  Do do have a nearly unfaded oil side cover that maybe Yamiya could take a sample from. F.A.R  sounds like a difficult color to match.
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« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2014, 07:59:33 PM »
Yeah that sucks. Yamiya sell new painted CB750 tanks for $793.00 US, so why not buy one from them and just get your sidecovers locally, or buy there's in the correct matching color?

Being new, you don't have to worry about rust holes, bondo, failed liners or stupid eBay rules. Cheers, Terry. ;D

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Yeah, find something on the forum, good sellers here, not that the seller f'd up other than global bovine excrement center.

Agreed. I've done business with many already. I've not heard of anyone painting tanks and covers so far...   anybody??  Yes, the seller did his part and he didn't know the Global center existed.   I actually won a used tank in an ebay auction in May this year, also from a USA seller.  It arrived without a problem but in my argument with ebay c/s they pointed out that that seller didn't use the Global system..... OMG I nearly lost my mind over this surprise kick in the nu#s.  That's why I've told this story to create awareness.
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« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2014, 03:12:12 PM »
Regarding the seller's reaction. Initially, I thought his reaction was out of character. He replied "Sorry for your frustration, good luck with your restoration".  Doesn't sound like someone tore up about losing anything at all.  I re read one of the very first customer service reply emails from a few days ago. Here's a copy paste of what they told me" the item is under one of our restricted categories, our hub will not proceed with the shipment and will liquidate the item in order retrieve some asset back. They will then allow the seller to keep the money while paying the buyer in full"

I can't help but think the seller is going to get shafted on this somehow.  I don't like the terms "liquidate" and "retrieve some asset."  That's too much business-speak for my liking.  I'm glad you turned out ok though.
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« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2014, 09:33:18 AM »
Regarding the seller's reaction. Initially, I thought his reaction was out of character. He replied "Sorry for your frustration, good luck with your restoration".  Doesn't sound like someone tore up about losing anything at all.  I re read one of the very first customer service reply emails from a few days ago. Here's a copy paste of what they told me" the item is under one of our restricted categories, our hub will not proceed with the shipment and will liquidate the item in order retrieve some asset back. They will then allow the seller to keep the money while paying the buyer in full"

I can't help but think the seller is going to get shafted on this somehow.  I don't like the terms "liquidate" and "retrieve some asset."  That's too much business-speak for my liking.  I'm glad you turned out ok though.

Thanks my friend. Ya know, the seller was oddly quiet. I'd send him up dates every 2-3 days of what I had attempted to learn, who I had tried to contact and he wouldn't even reply back.

Overall, I hope this discussion creates awareness.
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« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2014, 04:42:17 PM »
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I'm highly motivated to prevent anyone from losing money or a precious rare item from the grips of Ebay's Global shipper. I have copy pasted, into my original narrative, the ebay customer service rep reply.  So back to the top.

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« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2014, 05:55:37 PM »
United Parcel Service air hub is in Louisville, KY, but the eBay blurb mentions Pitney Bowes as the manager of their Global Shipping Program.

This whole episode might be a blessing in disguise if that tank was a leaker.
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« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2014, 11:21:51 AM »
Isn't this something else... here's the tank being re auctioned by the liquidator.  Using the seller's photos and the exact description.  Only this time, it say's "not available to Canada".

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Honda-1975-1976-CB750-CB-750-CB-Gas-Tank-Side-Cover-Set-/191234144117?&_trksid=p2056016.l4276

Here's the auction # that I had won.  # 261495098306

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« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2014, 11:59:33 AM »
41 negative feedbacks in the last 30days.http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=international_liquidatorz&iid=191234144117&de=off&items=25&which=negative&interval=30&_trkparms=negative_30  Did the original seller actually lose any money on your deal ?  If so it seems it could have just been returned to him. At 82,000 feedbacks these people are selling a lot of stuff.

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« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2014, 06:29:42 PM »
Alberta- if you want to buy and ship it to my address, I'll forward on to you via Express. Let me know if I can help out.
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« Reply #18 on: July 02, 2014, 08:35:57 PM »
41 negative feedbacks in the last 30days.http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=international_liquidatorz&iid=191234144117&de=off&items=25&which=negative&interval=30&_trkparms=negative_30  Did the original seller actually lose any money on your deal ?  If so it seems it could have just been returned to him. At 82,000 feedbacks these people are selling a lot of stuff.

Today, I emailed the original seller this auction. I directly asked him if he lost money or if ebay protected him.  His reply only pertained to the use of his photos.  Very strange and off topic  but his reply,( vague and disinterested) is consistent since the start of this fiasco.  Since the start, emailed him practically every second day with details of my own investigation and my attempts to contact ebay in the interest of completing this deal.  Often, he never replied and when he did was very complacent towards the outcome.
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« Reply #19 on: July 03, 2014, 04:30:08 AM »
Thanks for checking but I guess he did not divulge that info. He must of been protected or it seems he would have wanted to vent to anybody that would listen.

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« Reply #20 on: July 03, 2014, 06:06:44 PM »
This whole thing seems strange.  I guess some folks can write off an $1100 sale with no worries....
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