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Re: Some help please. Explain this...
« Reply #25 on: September 26, 2006, 08:21:38 AM »
Ditto.........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Some help please. Explain this...
« Reply #26 on: September 26, 2006, 08:28:58 AM »
What is the mindset of non-motorcyclists?  I don't get it...why are they not into it?  Why don't they "get" it?  How are they wired differently?

Someone clue me in.  I don't get it.  HOW can they not GET it?

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Re: Some help please. Explain this...
« Reply #27 on: September 26, 2006, 04:14:10 PM »
It's already been said, but I'll say it again.  The majority of people see travel in the same light as a visit to the dentist.  Unpleasant, but necessary and something to get done as quickly as possible.  For some fear plays a part.  Roads should be perfectly level and straright.  Cars should be the size of a battleship and have every safety and comfort amenity known to man.  They feel that two wheels and open is incredibly dangerous and those who ride will die.  For both groups it isn't the journey, it's the destination.  For those of us that ride, it isn't the destination, it's the journey

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Re: Some help please. Explain this...
« Reply #28 on: September 26, 2006, 04:24:23 PM »
It's already been said, but I'll say it again.  The majority of people see travel in the same light as a visit to the dentist.  Unpleasant, but necessary and something to get done as quickly as possible.  For some fear plays a part.  Roads should be perfectly level and straright.  Cars should be the size of a battleship and have every safety and comfort amenity known to man.  They feel that two wheels and open is incredibly dangerous and those who ride will die.  For both groups it isn't the journey, it's the destination.  For those of us that ride, it isn't the destination, it's the journey

Well put.

Putting it to extremes is the hysteria we see here over 'killer roads', and the huge lobby put on the politicos to have said roads straightened and sanitised. Nobody stops to ask whether it is the standard of driving or riding that may be at fault. Example: Highway 99 north out of Vancouver, to Squamish and Whistler (aka the Sea to Sky Highway) is a road labelled as a 'killer highway' because it demands respect to drive/ride it. Because the winter Olympics will be in Whistler in 2010 there has been huge construction work to make it 'safer'. All that will happen is that people will treat the road with less respect (drving with distractions, under the influence etc) and we'll see the same number of accidents.

Cynical git, aren't I.....?
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Re: Some help please. Explain this...
« Reply #29 on: September 26, 2006, 04:32:17 PM »
Cynucal? nah, I dont' think so.

Many roads in Vermont have been made "safer", and much more boring.
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Re: Some help please. Explain this...
« Reply #30 on: September 26, 2006, 07:03:19 PM »
This question is closely related to the: "Why do you ride that donor-cycle?" question. Or the statement: "Well, you know I'm totally against those dangerous things, but....."

I've tried boiling it down to a basic risk/benefit analysis, but that doesn't cover it. And they don't get it. I've tried explaining it in terms of "freedom," or "zest for life," or "exhiliration," or "you can see more without a windsheild and car-frame." That doesn't work either. They just don't want to hear it. They're asking a rhetorical question.

Now, I just shrug my shoulders and mumble something. The funny thing is that I get the same response from them!

The only thing that I ever found that worked is to take them for a ride (when I had a bike with a good pillion).

Personally, I think that I love it because it's consistent with everything else that I do: If I see something that I like, I grab it with both hands. I like spicy food. I like spicy women. I like to work out hard. Even something about getting a bad cold with a fever is satisfying. I think that I just like to feel life.

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Re: Some help please. Explain this...
« Reply #31 on: September 26, 2006, 07:12:53 PM »
Putting it to extremes is the hysteria we see here over 'killer roads', and the huge lobby put on the politicos to have said roads straightened and sanitised. Nobody stops to ask whether it is the standard of driving or riding that may be at fault. Example: Highway 99 north out of Vancouver, to Squamish and Whistler (aka the Sea to Sky Highway) is a road labelled as a 'killer highway' because it demands respect to drive/ride it. Because the winter Olympics will be in Whistler in 2010 there has been huge construction work to make it 'safer'. All that will happen is that people will treat the road with less respect (drving with distractions, under the influence etc) and we'll see the same number of accidents.

Cynical git, aren't I.....?

But you've got a good point. I remember seeing a study several years ago that said that there tended to be fewer fatalities on roads without gaurdrails. Not just straight roads, but mountain passes without gaurdrails. They have actually built some pretty hairy roads in Colorado without the rails and I think that they have lower accident rates because people treat them with more respect.

Don't quote me on this, I'm just trying to remember what I heard/read years ago when I worked in EMS.

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Re: Some help please. Explain this...
« Reply #32 on: September 26, 2006, 07:37:48 PM »
I've tried boiling it down to a basic risk/benefit analysis, but that doesn't cover it. And they don't get it. I've tried explaining it in terms of "freedom," or "zest for life," or "exhiliration," or "you can see more without a windsheild and car-frame." That doesn't work either. They just don't want to hear it. They're asking a rhetorical question.

It could be argued that non-riders are no more 'into' riding than we would be into quilting or highland dancing or some such. It's just something that non-riders have little or no interest in....
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Re: Some help please. Explain this...
« Reply #33 on: September 26, 2006, 07:49:54 PM »
It's amazing how many bad drivers are out there! Really could you see the motorcycling statistics if everyone rode instead of drive. ... My god the graveyards would fill at an enormous rate. I feel somewhat empowered over the cage drivers. With all the new car makers trying to make there cars safer they are taking thought out of the equation. Why do we need cars with auto slowing cruise if your looking at the dam road anyway?? I can't beleive it . When are THEY goimg to get it?? Sorry I get excited about this. You should hear me when I'm navigating my "cage" through trafic.........Hey you know I just realized while typing this and getting reved up. I never feel like this while I ride...? Wow.

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Re: Some help please. Explain this...
« Reply #34 on: September 26, 2006, 08:36:42 PM »
It's already been said, but I'll say it again.  The majority of people see travel in the same light as a visit to the dentist.  Unpleasant, but necessary and something to get done as quickly as possible.  For some fear plays a part.  Roads should be perfectly level and straright.  Cars should be the size of a battleship and have every safety and comfort amenity known to man.  They feel that two wheels and open is incredibly dangerous and those who ride will die.  For both groups it isn't the journey, it's the destination.  For those of us that ride, it isn't the destination, it's the journey

Well put.

Putting it to extremes is the hysteria we see here over 'killer roads', and the huge lobby put on the politicos to have said roads straightened and sanitised. Nobody stops to ask whether it is the standard of driving or riding that may be at fault. Example: Highway 99 north out of Vancouver, to Squamish and Whistler (aka the Sea to Sky Highway) is a road labelled as a 'killer highway' because it demands respect to drive/ride it. Because the winter Olympics will be in Whistler in 2010 there has been huge construction work to make it 'safer'. All that will happen is that people will treat the road with less respect (drving with distractions, under the influence etc) and we'll see the same number of accidents.

Cynical git, aren't I.....?


You aren't cynical, you see reality as it is, and your point about people showing less respect for a 'safe' highway than an 'unsafe' highway is accurate.  What  bothers them is the fact that they can't just doze through their drive.  Years ago  I led a caravan to Kalispell from Central Montnana, and chose to take the Swan Valley.  Two-lane, twisty, wooded; alongside a couple lakes, a gorgeous drive.  When we got to Kalispell I caught all kinds of flack from the other drivers for taking that road.  It was terrible, there were curves, there were hills, it followed a lake shore.  My goodness, we had to watch what we were doing!!  Had we gone to Missoula and up Highway 93 it would have been straight, level and wide most of the way.  We could have daydreamed our way to Kalispell.  Well, except for the last twenty-five miles or so.  That was two-lane, twisty, hilly, etc.  By they way, a common bumper sticker there in the '70s was "I Drive 93, Pray for Me".  The road was labeled a killer road.

Now 93 south of Kalispell and south of Polson is being turned into a fourlane, straightened out, flattened road.  A totally boring drive, but one the average driver can handle.  It takes very little thought compared to the old stretch.  It is grudgingly admintted that the work was needed.  Highway 93 is a major route to Glacier Park, and the traffic during tourist season is incredible.  My last ride up that way, a year ago,  was in a line of traffic that extended from Kalispell to approximately 25 miles south before it began to break up.  As for accidents - I'd guess they are the same or increasing.  An informal study thirty years ago showed the vast majority of accidents in the area happened between 2:00 AM and 5:00 AM on weekends.  It's doubtful that drivers at that time are any less incapacitated now than they were then.

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Re: Some help please. Explain this...
« Reply #35 on: September 27, 2006, 05:49:37 AM »
something to get done as quickly as possible.

i guess i can get behind that part, i'm often moving as quickly as possible.....though i have no interest in the perfectly straight and level roads.

seriously though, if people don't get it, they won't get it....till they do.

my wife sings in a band--seems off topic, but follow me here.  she constantly has people telling her "i don't know how you can get up in front of people like that."  what they don't get is she couldn't NOT write music if she tried.  it's impossible for her to not come up with songs.  it's in her, and she gets off on the whole experience.  same with riding.  you can't explain euphoria to someone.
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Re: Some help please. Explain this...
« Reply #36 on: September 27, 2006, 07:54:34 AM »
if i have to explain,you wouldn understand.
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Re: Some help please. Explain this...
« Reply #37 on: September 27, 2006, 08:13:33 AM »
if i have to explain,you wouldn understand.

Says it in a nutshell.
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