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Re: my latest acquisition, hoping to not be a project thread
« Reply #50 on: October 05, 2014, 07:31:12 PM »
Do those use a fuel pump like the V65 Sabre does Sean ?

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« Reply #51 on: October 05, 2014, 07:53:11 PM »
Do those use a fuel pump like the V65 Sabre does Sean ?

The 86' doesn't have the fuel pump like the earlier years did;try testing the vacuum diaphram on the petcock to see if it holds vacuum steadily.
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« Reply #52 on: October 05, 2014, 08:03:32 PM »
Do those use a fuel pump like the V65 Sabre does Sean ?

The 86' doesn't have the fuel pump like the earlier years did;try testing the vacuum diaphram on the petcock to see if it holds vacuum steadily.
no fuel pump...tested the petcock when I first had the tank off, held vacuum long enough to drain about 1/3rd tank of gas, then flushed about another gallon and a half, and it looked nice and clean
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« Reply #53 on: October 05, 2014, 08:39:59 PM »
Do you have the air filter installed w/ the airbox lid screwed down?
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« Reply #54 on: October 05, 2014, 09:11:09 PM »
Do you have the air filter installed w/ the airbox lid screwed down?
of course
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Re: my latest acquisition, hoping to not be a project thread
« Reply #55 on: October 06, 2014, 05:37:52 AM »
Well, the diagnostic journey begins...  ::)  ;)
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« Reply #56 on: October 07, 2014, 11:14:50 AM »
Sean, are you losing vacuum anywhere ?
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« Reply #57 on: October 07, 2014, 12:52:24 PM »
not that I know of, doesn't act like any vacuum leak experienced before
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« Reply #58 on: October 09, 2014, 12:05:02 AM »
The point about the air filter installed and airbox lid fitted is very valid, CV carbs run as lean as hell without their original airbox plumbing, my Suzuki GS1000S could not be ridden with the lid off the airbox.

If there are no air leaks between the carbs and the airbox then I'm wondering about the ignition. My CX500 started easily and ran like a charm, but once again, would not produce any power under load until I installed a special "black box" that a very smart bloke in South Australia built to address the failed ignition stator issues that the early CX500's had.

I'm guessing that there's a VF500 owners website out there somewhere (poor buggers, but misery loves company...........) so it shouldn't be hard finding out what's probably a common issue? Cheers, Terry. ;D
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« Reply #59 on: October 09, 2014, 03:25:43 AM »
Very interesting, Terry.  Was there an ohms test for your ignition pulse generators?  Mine are supposed to be between 316-365 ohms, and measure about 400.  No test for the factory ignition modules.  The manual just says to replace if the timing is off, and mine is slightly off for two cylinders at least. (this bike is so tightly packed together, I can only get the inductive pickup for my timing light on to one spark plug wire)  I'd b happy to swap these parts if it would save me from having to unnecessarily pull the carbs again, but there is basically no parts available for this thing.  The guys over at VFRDiscussion are urging me to pull the valve covers for a cam and valve train inspection and to set valve clearances anyway.  Probably better do that!  Thanks Terry.
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« Reply #60 on: October 09, 2014, 06:53:01 AM »
I hope the valve adjustment helps
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Re: my latest acquisition, hoping to not be a project thread
« Reply #61 on: October 09, 2014, 05:38:00 PM »
Change the title of this thread, I think it's becoming a project bike?
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« Reply #62 on: October 09, 2014, 06:24:49 PM »
I hope the valve adjustment helps
I doubt the valve adjustment will have any effect on how it runs, it's just an important safeguard on these bikes with known suspect valvetrains
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« Reply #63 on: October 09, 2014, 06:26:27 PM »
Change the title of this thread, I think it's becoming a project bike?
I think I will leave it...just as a reminder to me and others that cheap bikes are rarely really cheap.  I have already had to work on it about twice as much as I wante to.
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« Reply #64 on: October 09, 2014, 10:53:19 PM »
Very interesting, Terry.  Was there an ohms test for your ignition pulse generators?  Mine are supposed to be between 316-365 ohms, and measure about 400.  No test for the factory ignition modules.  The manual just says to replace if the timing is off, and mine is slightly off for two cylinders at least. (this bike is so tightly packed together, I can only get the inductive pickup for my timing light on to one spark plug wire)  I'd b happy to swap these parts if it would save me from having to unnecessarily pull the carbs again, but there is basically no parts available for this thing.  The guys over at VFRDiscussion are urging me to pull the valve covers for a cam and valve train inspection and to set valve clearances anyway.  Probably better do that!  Thanks Terry.

G'Day Sean, sorry mate, I don't know if there was an Ohms test for the CX, I just described the issue to the "Guru's" on the CX500 site and they all said the same thing, I had a duff stator and on the early CX500's the stator also looks after the ignition, so commonly the ignition part of the stator would fail, while the battery charging part would still work fine.

The "Black box" that I bought from one of their guru's took power from the battery and bypassed the stator, which was great for me, because the only other fix was to drop the engine to remove and replace the stator. I'll probably have to buy another one for the 1979 CX500 that I'm slowly building into a "Bobber" for my son as it's displaying the same problems.

Honda should have fixed the issue by 1986 though, as the >1982 CX500's got a whole new ignition, which was supposed to be pretty good? Have you done a compression test on the cylinder that's not firing? Cheers, Terry. ;D   
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« Reply #65 on: October 10, 2014, 03:22:59 AM »
Terry, all cylinders are running since I cleaned the carbs.
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« Reply #66 on: October 10, 2014, 04:32:16 PM »
No worries mate, but the "loss of power" issue is still there, yeah? I'm betting it's the ignition. Cheers, Terry. ;D
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« Reply #67 on: October 10, 2014, 04:34:49 PM »
No worries mate, but the "loss of power" issue is still there, yeah? I'm betting it's the ignition. Cheers, Terry. ;D

It'd be nice to find another rider w/ an 86' who'll let you borrow his 'Black boxes'/ignitors and see if the problem still exists  ::)  it couldn't hurt
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« Reply #68 on: October 10, 2014, 05:04:15 PM »
The guys I bought this from are friends of mine and have a parts bike available...unfortunately, no telling if the ignition components on this one are any good either, but swapping them is my next step
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« Reply #69 on: October 10, 2014, 06:37:23 PM »
+1 Sean, another step in 'the diagnostic journey'  ::)
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« Reply #70 on: October 10, 2014, 11:01:06 PM »
jesus...sounds like I got cancer, or something :D
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« Reply #71 on: October 12, 2014, 03:48:09 AM »
Nah, just a VF500 mate............. ;D
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« Reply #72 on: October 12, 2014, 05:28:36 AM »
Stopped in at Galesburg Saturday while on a ride and heard you were there and hit your shop and talked to your friend. Sounds like you may possibly have a different 'magic' box to play with ??

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« Reply #73 on: October 29, 2014, 07:41:05 PM »
Alright!  Swapped the ignitor coils with some from the parts bike that measured marginally better.  That did little, maybe some improvement?  So, pulled the carbs again, but this time kept going tearing this thing down til I got the valve covers off.  Set valve clearances.  They were mostly all tight.  A couple were loose.  Then soaked the carbs using a trick to get 'em submerged without taking them off the rack(which would be a total nightare!)  Idle jets had re-plugged themselves and the rack spewed a surprising amount more crud.  Got everything back together...and she has power!...Hit 75mph in third in the space of about 2/3rd of a city block, in the rain!  Of course now Michigan winter will settle in for good.  Still seems to need a little tuneing, so it will be mixture screw tweekin and carb sync.
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« Reply #74 on: October 29, 2014, 07:42:22 PM »
Pictures....
Here is where the carbs reside.  Amazingly, you can pull the rack in about 15 minutes.

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