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Re: 2015 Phillip Island Classic
« Reply #25 on: January 30, 2015, 04:33:22 PM »
Yes when you go through the list of riders, it's the who's who of roadracing! They all need to bring their A-game for sure.

I agree about the Paton, it's a full on racebike, not some old converted street ride. I'm still toying with the idea of trying to get there so it's fun to see what people are racing. Your kind offer Simon is another dream, plus time is against me.  ;D
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Re: 2015 Phillip Island Classic
« Reply #26 on: January 30, 2015, 05:06:38 PM »
im busy myself at the moment , but who knows what the future brings  perhaps we can sort something out at some latter time
until they screw that lid down brent we still have time ! 
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Re: Re: 2015 Phillip Island Classic
« Reply #27 on: February 02, 2015, 12:52:49 AM »
Quote from: simon#42 on January 30, 2015, 02:19:25 PM
and as the Aussies havnt mentioned the result i think i will have to ...... we won


They deserved to as well Simon. They brought their "A" game, the riders and the gear.

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Just about all the bikes where based on Harris frames.
Each bike/rider had a dedicated mechanic and at lest one gofer.
All focused on getting a result and having a good time doing it.

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Re: Re: 2015 Phillip Island Classic
« Reply #28 on: February 02, 2015, 07:47:08 AM »
simon, 84 rwhp? Roberto, giuseppe's son will be proud, he claims only 75 in the site.... is that with 15:1 CR for methanol then?
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Re: Re: 2015 Phillip Island Classic
« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2015, 12:12:25 PM »
Quote from: turboguzzi on February 02, 2015, 07:47:08 AM
simon, 84 rwhp? Roberto, giuseppe's son will be proud, he claims only 75 in the site.... is that with 15:1 CR for methanol then?


it wasn't my dyno yossef so i cant guarantee its accuracy  but i did see it with my own eyes . it will have been on leaded race fuel  !

made my 500 laverda look a bit tame
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Re: 2015 Phillip Island Classic
« Reply #30 on: February 02, 2015, 01:22:43 PM »
Why is 84 out of the question? Didn't these bikes mix it up with the big guns back in the day. Four valve, DOHC, gear driven. I know it was a small company, but the Honda must have pushed 90hp at the end and although MV may be a different story, the MV4 at retirement was over 100. I really don't know and am not sure if I've ever even seen one.  ???
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Re: 2015 Phillip Island Classic
« Reply #31 on: February 02, 2015, 01:48:44 PM »
i suspect the last mv's made just under a 100hp , the early rg's made 100 and were a bit quicker [ although they were  lighter ]

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Re: 2015 Phillip Island Classic
« Reply #32 on: February 03, 2015, 01:50:06 AM »
Some of my Phillip Pics. :D
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Re: 2015 Phillip Island Classic
« Reply #33 on: February 03, 2015, 04:19:30 AM »
Harris everywhere Brian?
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Re: 2015 Phillip Island Classic
« Reply #34 on: February 03, 2015, 04:21:05 PM »
was at harris a few weeks ago and they are back turning them out again . a few years ago they were not interested in old bikes at all
when a friend of mine asked about a tz350 frame he was told they had scraped the jigs . they were only interested in selling exhausts and rear sets etc .
now this market has collapsed they are back doing what they do best , making good frames . oh and they have found that jig again !
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Re: 2015 Phillip Island Classic
« Reply #35 on: February 04, 2015, 02:15:54 AM »
brent, not out of the question, but still, that would equal 176 for a 1000c.c. four, only in the last decade water cooled superbikes have gotten there....

Back at the time, the pattons were semi competitive only. theyve got a 4th and a 6th in world championship, but they where never a match for Mike's honda (in the single season they raced together 1967) or Agositni's MV. Paton was the best non MV in 69' season, that one is true...

Today it's simply the best period 500 you can buy ready to race. round 60K.....

Will ask Dario, who works for Paton as race technician what he's seen on the dyno.
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Re: 2015 Phillip Island Classic
« Reply #36 on: February 04, 2015, 02:50:16 AM »
Quote from: turboguzzi on February 04, 2015, 02:15:54 AM
brent, not out of the question, but still, that would equal 176 for a 1000c.c. four, only in the last decade water cooled superbikes have gotten there....

TG, in period 6 historic racing here in Australia, the 1980's GSX1100's and Katana's are now making 175HP +... ;)

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Ex-World Endurance Champion Steve Martin proved the star of the show aboard a highly tuned 1981 Suzuki GSX1100. While UK rules allow for wide rims Australians are restricted to a 4.5" rim. With 175 horsepower the big Suzuki proves a wild ride.
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Re: 2015 Phillip Island Classic
« Reply #37 on: February 04, 2015, 04:23:49 AM »
That make sense TG. I wasn't sure how they stacked up back in the day, but I imagine the Honda's & MV's were in a class of their own. Still, 80 odd HP is impressive, and considering it's weight, small wonder they're the bike to beat. 
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Re: Re: 2015 Phillip Island Classic
« Reply #38 on: February 04, 2015, 04:57:19 AM »
Quote from: Retro Rocket on February 04, 2015, 02:50:16 AM
Quote from: turboguzzi on February 04, 2015, 02:15:54 AM
brent, not out of the question, but still, that would equal 176 for a 1000c.c. four, only in the last decade water cooled superbikes have gotten there....

TG, in period 6 historic racing here in Australia, the 1980's GSX1100's and Katana's are now making 175HP +... ;)

This quote is from 2011

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Ex-World Endurance Champion Steve Martin proved the star of the show aboard a highly tuned 1981 Suzuki GSX1100. While UK rules allow for wide rims Australians are restricted to a 4.5" rim. With 175 horsepower the big Suzuki proves a wild ride.
yes, but that's on methanol and 15:1 or higher CR.... let's not mix gasoline hp with methanol hp as they just not comparable. And never mind the 30% more displacement (1294 to be exact)    ;)

http://www.yart.at/yart/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=211%3Anews&catid=50%3Art-demo-content&Itemid=110&limitstart=1

In european racing, dont think anybody claims more than 140-150 for the big 1100 superbikes.
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Re: Re: 2015 Phillip Island Classic
« Reply #39 on: February 04, 2015, 09:53:19 AM »
Quote from: turboguzzi on February 04, 2015, 02:15:54 AM
brent, not out of the question, but still, that would equal 176 for a 1000c.c. four, only in the last decade water cooled superbikes have gotten there....

Back at the time, the pattons were semi competitive only. theyve got a 4th and a 6th in world championship, but they where never a match for Mike's honda (in the single season they raced together 1967) or Agositni's MV. Paton was the best non MV in 69' season, that one is true...

Today it's simply the best period 500 you can buy ready to race. round 60K.....

Will ask Dario, who works for Paton as race technician what he's seen on the dyno.

i was under the impression that the paton of today is nothing like the bike that was raced originally . the modern ones are based on the only 8 valve one built in the period and i assumed that much like the modern manx Norton's
the bore and stroke , valve size and angle and cams are all modern . having said that i think even 75hp would be impressive for a 500 twin .
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Re: Re: 2015 Phillip Island Classic
« Reply #40 on: February 08, 2015, 08:33:00 AM »
Quote from: turboguzzi on February 04, 2015, 04:57:19 AM
Quote from: Retro Rocket on February 04, 2015, 02:50:16 AM
Quote from: turboguzzi on February 04, 2015, 02:15:54 AM
brent, not out of the question, but still, that would equal 176 for a 1000c.c. four, only in the last decade water cooled superbikes have gotten there....

TG, in period 6 historic racing here in Australia, the 1980's GSX1100's and Katana's are now making 175HP +... ;)

This quote is from 2011

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Ex-World Endurance Champion Steve Martin proved the star of the show aboard a highly tuned 1981 Suzuki GSX1100. While UK rules allow for wide rims Australians are restricted to a 4.5" rim. With 175 horsepower the big Suzuki proves a wild ride.
yes, but that's on methanol and 15:1 or higher CR.... let's not mix gasoline hp with methanol hp as they just not comparable. And never mind the 30% more displacement (1294 to be exact)    ;)


They don't run Methanol TG, having said that Methanol is not some magical horse power producing potion either.

The displacement figures are close to the mark though. ;)

Cheers,
Brian
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Re: Re: 2015 Phillip Island Classic
« Reply #41 on: February 10, 2015, 01:33:18 AM »
hei bear, i do remember that in most of australian classic racing classes, up to period 4 ? , methanol is allowed, .... so this doesnt apply to superbikes then? i could be wrong of course....
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Re: Re: 2015 Phillip Island Classic
« Reply #42 on: February 10, 2015, 02:01:40 PM »
Quote from: turboguzzi on February 10, 2015, 01:33:18 AM
hei bear, i do remember that in most of australian classic racing classes, up to period 4 ? , methanol is allowed, .... so this doesnt apply to superbikes then? i could be wrong of course....

Your right TG, up to Period4 ie; pre 1972 methanol can be used.
After that date it's pump fuel only.

The super bikes as you call them are period5 ie; pre 1982.

Cheers,
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Re: 2015 Phillip Island Classic
« Reply #43 on: February 13, 2015, 09:59:09 PM »
ok, tnxs for the info bear, will keep that in mind for when i head down.... :)
And it still puts 84 bhp from a paton 500 c.c. twin as astonishing.
a 1300 - 175 hp four =  "only" 87hp  from 650c.c. twin
eye watering numbers in both cases!
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