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Offline eigenvector

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Vacuum bleeding is worse than the old fashioned way
« on: March 28, 2015, 12:20:00 PM »
I just replaced by brake lines with those that I got from Slingshot, and first - they're a hell of a lot better than the original rubbers.  2nd, since I totally drained the system, I figured - "I'll use a vacuum bleeder to speed up the process of recharging the system".

Wrong.  I about wore out my arm pumping that vacuum bleeder trying to get the air from the system.  I gave up, and tried it the traditional way - much faster and frankly a lot better results.  Brake fluid is completely replaced and no air in the system to speak of.  Truth - I expect a little bit of air to dribble out over the course of the next few days, but I'd probably still be trying to get the brakes bled had I relied on that bleeder.
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Re: Vacuum bleeding is worse than the old fashioned way
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2015, 03:24:18 PM »
I'm pretty happy with my speed bleeders. I've been thinking about getting a of lines from Slingshot too. Hope it'll make a big difference.
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Re: Vacuum bleeding is worse than the old fashioned way
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2015, 05:42:35 PM »
I have great results with my Mighty Vac.
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Re: Vacuum bleeding is worse than the old fashioned way
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2015, 09:19:19 AM »
Might Vac here....mine runs from a compressor line tho.....I can't talk to the manual pump types.  Mercedes Benz has been using them in their dealer shops exclusively for years for all fluids....not just brake lines.
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Re: Vacuum bleeding is worse than the old fashioned way
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2015, 10:16:03 AM »
I have a hand pump mighty vac. Was super easy for me. Maybe you had a tiny air leak and it wasn't holding a vacuum?

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Re: Vacuum bleeding is worse than the old fashioned way
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2015, 10:17:40 AM »
I normally use a large syringe to suck fluid through bleed nipple, seems to work well as fluid not agitated as much as pumping from master cylinder.

It also confirms the pressure release port is clear in master cylinder.
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Re: Vacuum bleeding is worse than the old fashioned way
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2015, 10:27:47 AM »
I just had a heck of a time bleeding a goldwing, the speed bleeders handled it easily. the speed seems to help force the air down. I had also tried pumping the calipers against the old thin pads then pushing the pistons back to move fluid up back into the M/C, that didn't help much.
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Re: Vacuum bleeding is worse than the old fashioned way
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2015, 11:30:29 AM »
It's a Mityvac, not Mighty Vac. I have had one for decades and I've never had it work as well as normal bleeding process. I use Russell Speed Bleeders that work great. I sold a couple of Mityvacs when I worked at O'Reilly Auto Parts. Every one I sold was returned a few days later because the customer said it sucked.
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Re: Vacuum bleeding is worse than the old fashioned way
« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2015, 11:57:02 AM »
I got this down to a science.  The easiest way is to disconnect the master cylinder fill the caliper 2/3 full with brake fluid and gently push the piston back in.  As you push the piston in it pushes the air out. 

Next put down get some towels and cover anything you don't want brake fluid on.  Place thumb over mc hole and gently pull lever.  The extra air will come out.

Reconnect brake hole with banjo bolt.  Brake lever feel will be fairly firm.  A quick bleed and your done.

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Re: Vacuum bleeding is worse than the old fashioned way
« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2015, 12:17:00 PM »
Well, however you spell it, mine worked great both times. I must have been lucky.

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Re: Vacuum bleeding is worse than the old fashioned way
« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2015, 12:26:49 PM »
It's a Mityvac, not Mighty Vac. I have had one for decades and I've never had it work as well as normal bleeding process. I use Russell Speed Bleeders that work great. I sold a couple of Mityvacs when I worked at O'Reilly Auto Parts. Every one I sold was returned a few days later because the custmomer said it sucked.
Isn't that what they are suppose to do  ;D
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Re: Vacuum bleeding is worse than the old fashioned way
« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2015, 12:32:46 PM »
I fill a syringe with fluid and attach a hose to the end of it, then I attach the other end of the hose to the bleeder nipple and push the fluid slowly from the bottom up.

Seems to work for me.

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Re: Vacuum bleeding is worse than the old fashioned way
« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2015, 01:34:39 PM »
It's a Mityvac, not Mighty Vac. I have had one for decades and I've never had it work as well as normal bleeding process. I use Russell Speed Bleeders that work great. I sold a couple of Mityvacs when I worked at O'Reilly Auto Parts. Every one I sold was returned a few days later because the custmomer said it sucked.
Isn't that what they are suppose to do  ;D
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Re: Vacuum bleeding is worse than the old fashioned way
« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2015, 03:06:40 PM »
I normally use a large syringe to suck fluid through bleed nipple, seems to work well as fluid not agitated as much as pumping from master cylinder.

It also confirms the pressure release port is clear in master cylinder.

Syringe, thats what I use too.
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Re: Vacuum bleeding is worse than the old fashioned way
« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2015, 03:11:29 PM »
Don I used the Mighty Vac :) on my Wing too. Works great....you guys can send your junky Mighty Vacs to me.
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Re: Vacuum bleeding is worse than the old fashioned way
« Reply #15 on: March 29, 2015, 03:20:37 PM »
For whatever unknown reason, my Mityvac seems to work great on cars, but is totally useless, if not harmful, to bikes.
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Re: Vacuum bleeding is worse than the old fashioned way
« Reply #16 on: March 29, 2015, 04:26:27 PM »
Used my Mittie Vac on all my bike with 100% success. Not sure what the issues are. If you have problems with air seeping back up the bleed valve creating tiny bubbles just wrap some pipe tape on the thread.
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Re: Vacuum bleeding is worse than the old fashioned way
« Reply #17 on: March 29, 2015, 04:40:51 PM »
+2 for speed bleeders.
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Re: Vacuum bleeding is worse than the old fashioned way
« Reply #18 on: March 29, 2015, 06:35:16 PM »
Used my Mittie Vac on all my bike with 100% success. Not sure what the issues are. If you have problems with air seeping back up the bleed valve creating tiny bubbles just wrap some pipe tape on the thread.
Just to add to this I have seen air get in between the bleeder and the Mityvac hose. But a small  hose clamp will fix that.

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Re: Vacuum bleeding is worse than the old fashioned way
« Reply #19 on: March 29, 2015, 06:47:31 PM »
You know, I keep hearing about those speed bleeders. I have to give it a try sometime. Just had no reason to try one.
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Re: Vacuum bleeding is worse than the old fashioned way
« Reply #20 on: March 29, 2015, 07:13:56 PM »
You know, I keep hearing about those speed bleeders.

I put one on my K4 after all the good reviews heard around here.  Does make bleeding much easier.

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