Author Topic: Wheel lacing tips (Read 6449 times)

theslayedsaint · « **on:** October 22, 2015, 08:12:29 PM »

Hey guys I've been doing some reading and watching YouTube videos on lacing motorcycle wheels. But was wondering if you guys had any tips for me? It's going to be my first try so anything would be really helpful!! The other night I started,
thinking I knew what I was doing but.... But I don't, one spoke seemed really hard to get turned its got a smaller bend then the other ones... Guessing that's the "inner" someone please point me in the right place.

Lacing
17" rim on a rear cb750 hub
17" rim on a cognito hub

Everything is powder coated so that's making it harder also!

Powderman · « **Reply #1 on:** October 22, 2015, 08:19:49 PM »

Who did the powder coating? I've never had an issue with powder coated spokes and rims fitment.

theslayedsaint · « **Reply #2 on:** October 22, 2015, 09:24:33 PM »

It's a local place in Portland. I wasn't saying it was making a fitment issue, just that it was making everything a little tighter is all.

theslayedsaint · « **Reply #3 on:** October 23, 2015, 09:43:18 AM »

I think i have the right ones! I bought the whole front setup a guy here on the forum. And I bought the rear wheel setup from cognito. Which comes from Buchanan. Any pictures of the correct patern?

theslayedsaint · « **Reply #4 on:** October 23, 2015, 09:46:23 AM »

Yeah just double checked your the one that told me to buy the setup... So I'm going to say it must be right

przjohn · « **Reply #5 on:** October 23, 2015, 02:08:49 PM »

Could you have mixed up 1 spoke, inner with outter? I have screwed up the pattern before and finally figured out the best way is to bite the bullet and disassemble the wheel and start over. I have also found that sometimes beer is your friend when lacing, and sometimes, well, maybe not.

theslayedsaint · « **Reply #6 on:** October 23, 2015, 07:03:30 PM »

Ok yeah Devin told me about the inside inside pattern.. But I have two different type spokes so what's that for? One has a smaller bend to it and the other a little more. I'll try and add a photo to show.

MickB · « **Reply #7 on:** October 23, 2015, 09:38:05 PM »

Small goes on outside (thread the spoke from the inside of the hub), and the larger one goes from the outside to the inside.

754 · « **Reply #8 on:** October 23, 2015, 09:47:28 PM »

Neither is an outside cuz bend is 90 degrees or under..

Soooo...that means one of the rows crosses the other spoke..all on the inside (longer one crosses another )

theslayedsaint · « **Reply #9 on:** October 23, 2015, 10:41:31 PM »

Ok yeah that makes sense 754. Because it is suppose to be a inside inside pattern.

theslayedsaint · « **Reply #10 on:** October 24, 2015, 10:04:55 AM »

Thanks guys! I think i'm understanding how it works now.

-smaller spokes first every 4th hole on rim and every other hole on hub
-then add the longer spokes also every 4th hole but going the opposite direction

as for the rear wheel that should just be a inside/outside pattern correct?

theslayedsaint · « **Reply #11 on:** October 25, 2015, 05:28:07 PM »

Ok.. so after about two hours and many attempts (didn't realize with this pattern you have to pre lace all the spokes before getting it on the rim?) I thought i finally got it! it looked right to me and felt good. But now i'm rethinking that maybe in fact the spokes are the wrong size!! i can't seem to get them down any farther then the pictures. please tell me i'm wrong. anyone know the right size for the Cognito moto hub?

wowbagger · « **Reply #12 on:** October 25, 2015, 06:03:08 PM »

Usually, that much extra length is because the spoke are in the wrong holes on the rim. Unlace it again and try for a steeper angle from the hub to the rim. That said, I have not tried lacing a cognito hub before. So, I can only speak from general experience.

theslayedsaint · « **Reply #13 on:** October 25, 2015, 06:32:13 PM »

I did think about that but I'm following a photo that calj gave me and it looks the same. I tried counting the spoke spaces to even make sure. I'll have to wait for calj to get on

theslayedsaint · « **Reply #14 on:** October 25, 2015, 07:42:28 PM »

Thanks for the pictures! i'll take a closer look tomorrow. it seemed just like the photos but i'm guessing i must have something wrong. so much for a freshly painted black wheel.

theslayedsaint · « **Reply #15 on:** October 26, 2015, 08:26:25 AM »

Yeah i must be missing something! I've looked at the pattern over and over and it looks like it matches up. the only thing i see that are different is the wheel it self looks a little different then yours, where the stem is seems to be in a different place. can you tell where i messed up at? i don't mind starting over but i really don't want to mess my paint up anymore then i have to without knowing where i went wrong.

754 · « **Reply #16 on:** October 26, 2015, 09:29:59 AM »

Measure your spoke length, then have him measure his..
If the difference is more than 3 mm the spokes are wrong length....easy..

wowbagger · « **Reply #17 on:** October 26, 2015, 09:43:13 AM »

It looks like you and cal have two different rims. Yours is dimpled and his is not.

theslayedsaint · « **Reply #18 on:** October 26, 2015, 02:30:26 PM »

Yeah they are different rims but it's the same size. So it shouldn't matter if there not the same make or if there dimpled or not.

754 · « **Reply #19 on:** October 26, 2015, 03:33:33 PM »

Yes, it does matter......drop center rims use shorter spokes...

gypsyrider · « **Reply #20 on:** October 26, 2015, 03:36:20 PM »

cross over four spokes then they should not be to long

theslayedsaint · « **Reply #21 on:** October 27, 2015, 09:26:10 AM »

Ok, I can see what your talking about. I guess i was in the mindset that if it was the "same" pattern it wouldn't matter if it was backward or reversed.
guess that logic is trash now. However Devin did say that the spokes should be around 5" mine seem to be more like 6". maybe this time i'll go slower and try and see if the spokes seems to long with the right pattern. even though its a little frustrating I really liked lacing the wheel its like a puzzle. like they say practice makes perfect.

oldhatt45 · « **Reply #22 on:** October 28, 2015, 12:57:11 PM »

theslayedsaint,

The problem is always in the offset. From several posts on the forum, it always seems to boil down to the elusive offset.
If calj737 can take a picture of the spokes to the right and left of the Valve stem, the one to the right of the valve stem goes to the bottom of the hub and the spoke to the left of the valve stem goes to the Top of the Hub.

You need to know whether the spoke count between these 2 spokes is 6.5 or 5.5 holes.
Best way to do that I found, is to take a piece of tape and drop it straight down to the bottom hole and then you can see whether it's 5.5 or 6.5 between spoke holes.

I've attached a picture showing a Stock wheel. Look at the arrows.
The space between the 2 purple lines is the Key to the offset.

Hope this helps,

Charlie

theslayedsaint · « **Reply #23 on:** October 30, 2015, 01:34:42 PM »

Looks like in fact I was right abut the spokes! after calling Buchanan They informed me the size should be 5" 9/16 and mine are over 6" so thats what happened. and of because of that when i pulled the spokes off it ruined my new paint job

so i guess its going back to get powder coated again. i'll be shipping my spokes to Buchanans to have them cut. but thanks for the help guys i'll update when i get it all back. Guess sometimes buying from this forum can ended up costing more...

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