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Offline ripamarcone

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Advancer plate
« on: February 08, 2016, 04:14:00 PM »
Can anyone tell me if the spark advancer, can cause irregular idle if it is faulty....are there any methods in finding faults on these units

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Re: Advancer plate
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2016, 04:22:20 PM »
At idle the spark should not be advanced, so even if your advancer is completely stuck the idle won't be affected.
 ( unless it is stuck in full advance mode of course ;D)

Offline Davez134

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Re: Advancer plate
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2016, 05:31:24 PM »
The shaft that the spark advancer goes on can cause irregular idle if it is bent even the slightest amount. The advancer unit itself is very simple. If the advancer arms are not stuck, the the only faults with these are worn springs.

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Re: Advancer plate
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2016, 06:30:58 PM »
are there any methods in finding faults on these units
Using a timing light, the F mark should be lined up with the pointer on the case at idle, and about 2500 RPM the pointer should be between the two full advance marks. The advance should be smooth as the RPM increases, and return to the F mark as the engine slows down to idle RPM.
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Re: Advancer plate
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2016, 02:23:51 AM »
Yes in two ways. My bike had both issues when i got it up and running in the fall, it took quite a while to get everything diagnosed and sorted

1. Advancer shaft is bent: if the shaft has more than  0.010" of runout it can cause jitter and make it very hard to time and cause the timing to jump around. If this is the case it should be carefully true'd to under 0.003" runout and things should work alot better.

2. Weak advancer springs: if the advancer springs are weak it will cause the advancer to start advancing to early and can cause a bad idle as the timing bounces around. To diagnose this you need to use a timing light and carefully watch the timing marks and advancer weights at idle. and as you give it a little gas the timing should be on the F mark up to 1200-1500 rpm then you should start seeing the weights fly out and the timing advance from the F mark by 2500rpm it should be at full advance. If its bouncing around and moving at idle or below 1200 then the springs have stretched or are weak. The easiest solution is to remove the advancer, then remove the springs and bend the spring hooks in a little about 0.020" to 0.040" and try it on the bike again you may have to mess with it a little to get it advancing properly again. 
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Re: Advancer plate
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2016, 04:07:03 AM »
I actually snipped half a turn from Dorothy's advance springs and bent new hook, it helped a lot.
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Re: Advancer plate
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2016, 05:26:25 AM »
thanks all for your inputs and feedback..
 will investigate over the weekend..
i have honda mans ignition on so will disconnect first and then check
thanks