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Timing Cb350f F tick not lining up
« on: April 09, 2016, 05:27:25 PM »
Hello all,

Recently bought a timing light $15 cheap one but gets the job done.

Went to check timing 1.4 was off. Lined it up great about 7/8ths of the time. 1/8ths of  the time it was  alittle past the F towards the advanced direction

When I try to set 2.3 it is always too retarded I move my 2.3 as much as I can  and it doesn't reach the 2.3 F mark.

When I rev the bikes it go completely past the F's to the two     l l      notches and then goes back to the correct f mark for 1.4


Here are some videos I hope you can see what I'm talking about




Any reason why?
« Last Edit: April 09, 2016, 10:24:55 PM by Dos »

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Re: Timing Cb350f F tick not lining up
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2016, 10:21:53 PM »
Just added a video to help explain

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Re: Timing Cb350f F tick not lining up
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2016, 12:08:07 AM »
Check your points gap on 2-3.

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Re: Timing Cb350f F tick not lining up
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2016, 08:59:11 AM »
Looking at your video with the 2-3 adjustment cranked all the way retarded, it looks like the typical Daichi points situation. Read Hondaman's report http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=59886.0 for details.
Using TEC or other points with correct geometry is your best fix if these are Daichi.
The other common problem is a points backing plate that doesn't fit tight between the support flanges. This makes setting timing a challenge because the plate shifts axially changing the points gap on both sets. Shimming out the flanges so the plate can rotate but not otherwise move is the answer. It isn't so much of an issue if you only do static timing but using a timing light is an exercise in futility if the plate moves around while adjusting 1-4.
If your points are good (essentially this means NOT Daichi) then set the points gaps to the wide side of spec, and once you have 1-4 timing set and the plate clamped down check both again: if the plate's shifted both will be changed, probably oppositely. You can open the 2-3 gap a bit to retard ignition. The dwell time is generous at redline with the spec gap, still almost certainly sufficient even with the gap considerably wider than spec. This only becomes an issue at high RPM.

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Re: Timing Cb350f F tick not lining up
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2016, 09:15:17 AM »
Ah okay yes they are those Daiichi crappy ones
I can put the old ones on

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Re: Timing Cb350f F tick not lining up
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2016, 09:37:01 AM »
I have a 2.3 plate from a cb500 with points of a cb500 on the plate would this work?

In the picture I also have on the right the original 2.3 points.

So if the 2.3 point and plate isn't appropriate can I keep the daichi on 1.4 and the original in the pic on 2.3

The thumbnail is flipped click the image to see actual direction
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Re: Timing Cb350f F tick not lining up
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2016, 10:14:01 AM »
better to use two TEC sets as the Daichi one will have 1-4 rotated towards retard too, but with TEC on 2-3 it should be ok. If the 2-3 sub plate fits on your 350 plate just use the whole thing.

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Re: Timing Cb350f F tick not lining up
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2016, 10:29:35 AM »
Hmm that's weird only cylinder 1.4 is firing now with the original 2.3 points

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Re: Timing Cb350f F tick not lining up
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2016, 12:02:03 PM »
My apologies just had a short..

Even with the original points and plate it's still to retarted

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Re: Timing Cb350f F tick not lining up
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2016, 11:34:48 PM »
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You can open the 2-3 gap a bit to retard ignition.

If you mean the breakerpoints gap, then I'm sorry to contradict. Widening the gap will advance ignition, regardless whether it is the 1+4 or the 2+3 breakerpoints.
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Re: Timing Cb350f F tick not lining up
« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2016, 04:39:00 PM »
Yes. Brain freeze.