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Re: Honda speedometer accuracy
« Reply #25 on: October 21, 2016, 07:34:39 PM »
I had a f150 that indicated faster than actual.  The cure was to put 8ply tires on it.  Same principal will work on a bike.  Find a tire with the right circumference to make the speedo accurate.

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Re: Honda speedometer accuracy
« Reply #26 on: October 22, 2016, 01:01:31 AM »
A speedo repair shop would if they are available...but you are going to have to know which gear and have the skill needed to extract and replace that gear.  Sometimes the shaft spacing will not allow another tooth or two, no adjustment possible with the shafts...
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Re: Honda speedometer accuracy
« Reply #27 on: October 22, 2016, 04:55:15 AM »
No. No different gears were made for speedo correction.

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Re: Honda speedometer accuracy
« Reply #28 on: October 24, 2016, 08:05:41 AM »
I'm not sure how a speedometer could be off my more at lower speed and less at higher speed as a couple people have indicated. That's not how it works. Speed will be off by a greater amount (same percent) the faster you go. My experience with various slightly different front tire sizes is as others have indicated, the speedometer reads slightly high. It's unlikely to be able to get dead on gear ratios (practically) so given a choice of a couple percent fast or slow, manufacturers typically set them to read slightly faster than actual speed for liability reasons. Setting them to read slow could conceivably bring lawsuits from people taxed by the police for exceeding the speed limit (i.e. speedo read 65, actual speed 70).

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Re: Honda speedometer accuracy
« Reply #29 on: October 25, 2016, 07:12:58 AM »
So does anybody in this thread have any actual idea how a mechanical speedometer works? They aren't filled with gears inside like a watch or clock. It's a spinning magnet creating eddy currents in a cup that then tightens against a spring. There are so many "mechanical" factors at play that there is almost no such thing as an accurate mechanical speedometer.


The modern SAE standard (J1226) is 4% accuracy for electronic speedometers. That is 4%+ or - over the entire range. That means that in order to stay somewhat accurate some manufacturers will cheat the speedo so it reads slower at lower speeds so that when you get to much higher speeds it is reading fast but still within that 4% range. So it is entirely possible that a speedometer can read slower at lower speeds and then read higher later.

Here is a speedometer range chart for Scion Vehicles to illustrate my point.


The old standard...well...I don't think there was one. I mean there were SAE standards from the 70's and 80's that addressed factors that affect a mechanical speedo, but I think the industry rule was 8-10% over the range. Keep in mind these are voluntary standards and not required so mfgs were free to do anything they liked.

A calibrated speedo like those installed in a police vehicle are "calibrated" within a range. Usually that range matches up with speed enforcement range  which is 40mph to 90mph. After that they begin to read high as well, and below 40mph will read low. But in that range they are looking for a 1-2% variance (so it isn't exactly a precise measurement tool either). Since they are now electronic in the modern age, as they get older corrosion begins to increase the resistance and some of them begin to read low in general. Unless they are serviced regularly they are not "accurate".

If you want an "accurate" speedometer, it isn't going to be found by calibrating the stock honda mechanical speedometer (or any mechanical speedometer for that matter). The most accurate speedometer type available now is a GPS speedometer, because it literally takes a measurement of distance over time in real time. They are however susceptible to signal strength so no system is without flaws. The other solution is something like a magnet or optical pick up speedometer that you can calibrate your self. It won't be 100% accurate across the range, but you can make it fairly accurate across the range where you would be looking at a speedometer (35mph-80mph). Plus you can readjust it for changes in tire height (as your tires wear or as you change to new rubber).

here is some basic reading for you people:
http://www.explainthatstuff.com/how-speedometer-works.html
https://www.thrillist.com/cars/your-speedometer-is-wrong-speed-calibration-inaccuracy-in-german-american-and-japanese-cars
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Re: Honda speedometer accuracy
« Reply #30 on: October 25, 2016, 09:57:01 AM »
Nippon denso have also a hydralik damper build inn to soften the moment,,so no hard impulses come through and take small osilations aut..just to make it more akkurat
(i have not seen one vith springs dampers in real World)..but a lot dont have any dampers at all..
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Re: Honda speedometer accuracy
« Reply #31 on: October 25, 2016, 04:31:42 PM »
The spring in the mechanism is to counteract the force caused by the spinning magnet.  The faster you go the faster the magnet spins which induces greater force on the "driven" disc that is attached to the speedometer dial. 

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Modified to add:  The spring, magnet, distance between magnet and driven disc are made to exacting tolerances and variation between each speedometer of the same type would be miniscule.  I suspect the error which seems to be inherent in the bikes from Japan of that era was built in by design.
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Re: Honda speedometer accuracy
« Reply #32 on: October 26, 2016, 04:35:05 AM »
Instead of trying to change gearing or calibration why not just repaint the gauge face with the numbers adjusted accordingly. 

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Re: Honda speedometer accuracy
« Reply #33 on: October 26, 2016, 04:41:25 AM »
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Instead of trying to change gearing or calibration why not just repaint the gauge face with the numbers adjusted accordingly.
Instead of trying all this, why not keep your eyes on the road? That will tell you how fast you're going... and - not unimportant - where! ;D




 




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Re: Honda speedometer accuracy
« Reply #34 on: October 26, 2016, 07:17:02 AM »
yes ve all rides to fast..leaving the heighvay.going back on smaller roads
.all other feels like they run slow motion..but ve are just got speed blindet.it just happens.
.but the point is...dont fix a non extistint problem..spedo is like the rest of the bike..made for running..and not cost to mutch.
.so all have a chance to ovn one
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Re: Honda speedometer accuracy
« Reply #35 on: October 26, 2016, 07:31:13 AM »
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A reasonably accurate gauge is vital to obeying traffic laws
I should know by now. I was 'rewarded' with a € 340,- fine for doing 121 km/h were 80 was the limit. But... I had my eyes on the road.
For those who want accuracy, do like others and mount a Sigma bicycle computer. You program it yourself by entering the wheelcircumference in mm. The Sigma BC 500 works up to 300 km/h. I have one lying around but never bothered to mount it. There are also wireless models. You could glue that to the inside of your visor and have some kind of a heads up display but don't forget to peek around it from time to time.
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Re: Honda speedometer accuracy
« Reply #36 on: October 26, 2016, 07:38:15 AM »
i did run a cycel comp like that-..and a voltmeter for some month..vhen i vas a new rider.
.to get a idea of the bike. and how the systems vorked(or not did).but after some time i took it off..like the simpel setup,,as a stock bike..
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Re: Honda speedometer accuracy
« Reply #37 on: October 26, 2016, 07:44:43 AM »
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..like the simpel setup,,as a stock bike..
Same here, that's why I never mounted it. No gadgets although I'm still interested in the (hidden!) engineguard I described here years ago and I must say I'm a little bit disappointed none of the engineers here took up the challenge.
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Re: Honda speedometer accuracy
« Reply #38 on: October 26, 2016, 08:50:14 AM »
a small data logger..vas a nice thing.on a new"old" bike..just for the first month or 2..to iron aut the small problems
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