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« on: December 15, 2016, 09:08:26 AM »
My granddaddy joined circus when he was young, he always told me stories how he traveled  all over Europe with his tiger.   ;D

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Re: Grandpa
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2016, 10:59:27 AM »
The Grand European Tour.

Still bad memories of it here. But you have to laugh.

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« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2016, 12:43:56 PM »
Yep. And my daddy whooped his ass.
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Re: Grandpa
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2016, 12:56:09 AM »
About 20 years ago I was working on international programs and an fellow from the company's Netherlands office spent almost a year stateside learning the product and documentation set because the program was to transfer to the Netherland's office.   I was living & working in Columbus Ohio and Victor, my son and I went to the USAF Museum in Dayton, OH.  I love planes and was taking photos of a lot of the planes.  Victor said he would like copies but NOT any of the German ones.  I asked again and he reiterated the NO German planes.  He and his family and many of those in his community and possibly his country did not and would not forgive the Germans for what they did to their country and people in WWII.
It was surprising but having studied WWII I understood his reasons without having to go farther.  Many Dutch would be offended were you to confuse their language, which is very similar , with German.  They are quick to correct you.
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Re: Grandpa
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2016, 02:50:26 AM »
Black humor, my country got its share of suffering under german occupation.  My grandpa actually went to stand to in one of our border fortresses only to go back home after Munich.

Thats why i dont understand the ease with which  Americans use the fascist and nazi labels these days.
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Re: Grandpa
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2016, 09:31:33 AM »
Yes, Munich. Biggest act of treachery ever.

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« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2016, 08:08:07 AM »
yes we should not have tried to appease the nazii's then and we should not now , good people still need to be vigilant .

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« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2016, 10:23:02 AM »
Thats why i dont understand the ease with which  Americans use the fascist and nazi labels these days.

We in the U.S. have been very fortunate that, since the Civil War, our turf hasn't seen any of the ravages of war that Europe and other places have.  No bombed out cities, no mass killing of population, no armed subjugation of large groups of people.  So there isn't an understanding of what true hardship means.  So we take things for granted.  And not just here, but any place with younger generations that never had to go through it.
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Re: Grandpa
« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2016, 10:39:33 AM »
I'm just finishing up a book on the Battle of Stalingrad. If you're inclined to think Nazis are cool, read it.
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Re: Grandpa
« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2016, 01:15:43 PM »
Any group that is hate-mongering and wishes to erradicate another really should not be tolerated today.
There has been evil resulting in war for millenia, it is unlikely to change.  When societies break down their destruction follows as a country/group.

To stop genocide enough action is not taken many times and those atrocities are black marks against that group, yet some cultures praise that behavior.
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Re: Grandpa
« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2016, 11:58:11 PM »
Thats why i dont understand the ease with which  Americans use the fascist and nazi labels these days.

We in the U.S. have been very fortunate that, since the Civil War, our turf hasn't seen any of the ravages of war that Europe and other places have.  No bombed out cities, no mass killing of population, no armed subjugation of large groups of people.  So there isn't an understanding of what true hardship means.  So we take things for granted.  And not just here, but any place with younger generations that never had to go through it.

I disagree, 9-11 was an attack and
New York was probably pretty much a bombed out city for a period.

Oh yeah, Dad was a liberator at Lansborg concentration camp.  He didn't see a lot there  because Military Government was in promptly and secured the compound. 12th Armored Division chalked up 100 Km one day advance around the same time, I think that's the largest in modern warfare.
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