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Offline Jnel

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After Market Brakes for 78 750F
« on: June 18, 2017, 07:32:57 am »
I'm looking at doing some research on a complete after market disk brake system for the 750 F.  Anyone got some sources for this up grade?  twin disk in the front  Single in the rear. 

Appreciate it.

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Re: After Market Brakes for 78 750F
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2017, 07:53:46 am »
Isn't the stock setup already 2x and a rear? Do you want improvements over that? If so, I'd swap the pistons to phwnolics, replace the lines with stainless, have the disks ground by Tom @Truedisk and replace the masters with decent and new Nissins, Tokicos or Brembos. With these ancillary upgrades, the stock rotors perform very well.
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Re: After Market Brakes for 78 750F
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2017, 10:02:18 pm »
No need for turning to the aftermarket to upgrade the F2/F3 brakes; the twin piston calipers Honda used on the early '80s bikes are a significant upgrade, and will bolt right on with the proper brackets.
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Re: After Market Brakes for 78 750F
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2017, 06:51:22 am »
EBC makes rotors for the 1979-1982 CB750/900/1100F under their Pro-Lite brand. They are pricy (I think almost $200 per rotor). Those rotors will fit the 77-78 cb750F, I use DOHC rotors all the time. http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/11089/i/ebc-pro-lite-front-brake-rotor

The weak link in the 1977-1980 (SOHC and DOHC) brake system is the rotor. The solid type stock rotors....


...are prone to warping fairly easy with hard street or track day use. I have thrown away at least a dozen warped rotors on these bikes over the years. They are too thin to be cut, so once they warp the are pretty much done.

The 1981-83 style rotors....



...had cooling slots added to them around the inner circumference to prevent warping. It is still possible to warp them, but they are less prone to it. I used to pick these up cheap ($20 a set or less)  and swap them on to any bike I had that would take them. The dual piston calipers that are paired to these rotors stock help as well by providing a bigger brake pad surface area so there is less heat buildup.

The warping problem comes from a variety of factors: with the single puck calipers the pads are too small, the rotor diameter is too small, and the rotor is slightly too thin for the speeds and heat it sees (modern rotors are actually as thin or thinner, but are often almost twice the diameter).

Now there are some other options as well in the OEM honda parts bin:

Honda CBX Pro-Links (1981-82) as well as CB1100R's use this rotor:


It is a vented rotor with direction cooling vanes. This rotor is bolt on for any 5 bolt comstar bolt pattern, the down side is you have to use the dual piston corresponding calipers and brackets that go with these rotors.  Why is that a down side - well they are CBX parts only which means they are usually rare and expensive. Every time I see these rotors up for sale they are usually moving for $250, and that is before you track down the correct calipers and brackets. They weren't used on any other model except the cb1100R which was not sold in the US and usually carries it's own premium for brake parts.

Some VFR options work as well since overseas (non-US) VFRs used comstar wheels, but I don't know off hand. The important thing to look for is that 5 bolt pattern in the rotor as some VFR's use a different bolt pattern.

In terms of calipers the cheap and easy swap is DOHC cb750/900/1100 F model 1981-82 dual piston calipers. I usually find these in junkyards frequently - the brackets are harder to find than the calipers since they used the caliper body on a ton of bikes, but the brackets on only a few.

In terms of aftermarket calipers, the only company I know that may be supplying calipers that would fit the 1977-78 cb750F is Beringer brakes:
http://aftermarket.beringer-brakes.com/en/
They offer 4 and 6 piston setups but their site doesn't specify years so it is hard to confirm, although my friend who is a beringer dealer here in the US tells me they do. He also tells me that for a soup to nuts setup it will easily cross the $1000 threshold, and honestly those are really great brakes but the parts bin mashup stuff I have been doing for years has worked so well and usually doesn't cost me more than $250 with new braided lines and a master.
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Re: After Market Brakes for 78 750F
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2017, 03:35:26 pm »
I have NOS 81-83 rotors I could sell.
Some GL had a vented rotor, with an aluminum center.
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Re: After Market Brakes for 78 750F
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2017, 03:41:59 pm »
Good information, Geeto. Thanks!

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Re: After Market Brakes for 78 750F
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2017, 05:56:43 am »
Anyone have suggestions for replacement brake pads for the stock 77/78 F calipers?

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Re: After Market Brakes for 78 750F
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2017, 11:42:13 am »
Anyone have suggestions for replacement brake pads for the stock 77/78 F calipers?

They aren't hard to find, just not a lot of options in this space...what kind of suggestion do you want?

you can get oem style pads for $15 a set from a place like cb750 supply:
http://www.cb750supply.com/products/2/chassis-brakes/39/brakes

EBC makes organic and sintered replacement pads and Volar makes carbon kevlar pads. There really isn't enough of an advantage to any of this stuff to overcome the shortcomings in the stock braking system. The 77-78 F uses the same pads front and rear so the Volar pads are usually $7 per caliper ( https://www.d2moto.com/products/1977-1978-honda-cb750f-super-sport-kevlar-rear-brake-pads ) vs the EBC pads which are usually $30 per caliper ( http://www.ebay.com/itm/Std-Organic-Brake-Pads-EBC-FA31-for-Honda-CB750F-Super-Sport-CBX1000-Apps/401309862020 )

buy pads, put pads in it, ride it. Invest money you would have spent on high end pads on braided lines, better master, or a dual piston caliper upgrade. If you are looking for red stuff pads or yellow stuff pads or something more performance oriented, I just don't think it exists for these bikes.


here are all the bikes that use the same brake pad:
CBX-A 1980 1047 CBX Street
CBX-Z 1979 1047 CBX Street
GL1000 1975 1000 GL1000 Goldwing Street
GL1000-76 1976 1000 GL1000 Goldwing Street
GL1000-77 1977 1000 GL1000 Goldwing Street
GL1000-78 1978 1000 GL1000 Goldwing Street
GL1000-79 1979 1000 GL1000 Goldwing Street
GL1000L 1976 1000 GL1000 Goldwing LTD Edition Street
GL1100-A 1980 1100 GL1100 Goldwing Standard Street
GL1100-B 1981 1100 GL1100 Goldwing Standard Street
GL1100I-A 1980 1100 GL1100I Goldwing Interstate Touring
GL1100I-B 1981 1100 GL1100I Goldwing Interstate Touring
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Re: After Market Brakes for 78 750F
« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2017, 06:17:29 am »
Thanks Geeto. I have upgraded to braided lines, modern MC, overhauled the calipers and had True disk turn and drill the rotors. Still have stock pads and was hoping for some magic that doesn't seem to exist.  I am satisfied with braking power but wouldn't mind a bit more.

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Re: After Market Brakes for 78 750F
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2017, 06:25:51 am »
When you say modern MC, what do you mean?
Was it sized correctly to the application?
Vintage brake has a ratio chart that is SUPER helpful in making sure you are using the right bore MC for the calipers.

Braided lines and making sure your OEM stuff is working 100% is the first place to start.
As stated the best "bang for the buck" in terms of a swap would be to run the DOHC twin piston calipers.

Someone linked a write up that I did about the swap.
It was actually Geeto that told me about it.  I just sold two complete swap kits.  I was surprised how has they went.
My plan is to put together a few more 'cores" and see if the market wants freshly rebuilt/coated swap kits as well.

The swap lets you run a few more modern pads like EBCs HH rated ones.




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Re: After Market Brakes for 78 750F
« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2017, 07:05:32 am »
I don't recall exactly what MC I used but it made a huge difference.  I think it was a early 90's Honda VFR. Guess I got lucky

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Re: After Market Brakes for 78 750F
« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2017, 08:13:23 pm »
When you say modern MC, what do you mean?
Was it sized correctly to the application?
Vintage brake has a ratio chart that is SUPER helpful in making sure you are using the right bore MC for the calipers.

Braided lines and making sure your OEM stuff is working 100% is the first place to start.
As stated the best "bang for the buck" in terms of a swap would be to run the DOHC twin piston calipers.

Someone linked a write up that I did about the swap.
It was actually Geeto that told me about it.  I just sold two complete swap kits.  I was surprised how has they went.
My plan is to put together a few more 'cores" and see if the market wants freshly rebuilt/coated swap kits as well.

The swap lets you run a few more modern pads like EBCs HH rated ones.
Jaguar, what does your swap kit include?  I'd be interested in upgrading to twin piston for my 75' 750F as a winter project.

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Re: After Market Brakes for 78 750F
« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2017, 05:17:55 am »
Check out the link to my write up.
Basically included all the needed calipers and brackets to upgrade.

This is only for the 77-78F bikes (or bikes using those forks)
Earlier bikes with the swing calipers can be upgraded to dual disc, but not the same swap.

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Re: After Market Brakes for 78 750F
« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2017, 11:34:00 am »
When you say modern MC, what do you mean?
Was it sized correctly to the application?
Vintage brake has a ratio chart that is SUPER helpful in making sure you are using the right bore MC for the calipers.

Braided lines and making sure your OEM stuff is working 100% is the first place to start.
As stated the best "bang for the buck" in terms of a swap would be to run the DOHC twin piston calipers.

Someone linked a write up that I did about the swap.
It was actually Geeto that told me about it.  I just sold two complete swap kits.  I was surprised how has they went.
My plan is to put together a few more 'cores" and see if the market wants freshly rebuilt/coated swap kits as well.

The swap lets you run a few more modern pads like EBCs HH rated ones.
Jaguar, what does your swap kit include?  I'd be interested in upgrading to twin piston for my 75' 750F as a winter project.


Jag's right, the dual piston honda calipers only bolt to 1977-78 cb750F fork legs.

Beringer makes a 2 piston caliper kit for the 1973-76 K bikes and 1975-76 F bikes:
http://aftermarket.beringer-brakes.com/en/home/788-2h17.html

it's not cheap but it's better than stock.

I believe "The Lurkshop" in Brooklyn is a beringer dealer:

https://www.facebook.com/lurkshopnyc/

they might be able to sort you out on pricing. I believe Bryan Fuller used them on that cb750 he built "rodan". 
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