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Offline Erny

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750 K7 - what tools for maintenance / repair?
« on: January 22, 2018, 03:21:34 PM »
While preparing for full maintenance of my K7, I start to look at shop manual, Clymer book, etc and wondering what shop tools should I have ro make proper shop maintenance / repair.

Apart of standard tools that are available in bike, I identified :
- bearing retainers tool : tool for proper remove/install wheel bearing retainers - what should I buy? Where? Any concere tip? I know I can do using screwdriver, hammer or make some tool, but I prefer doing it properly. And as I plan to keep bike for long time, I am ok to invest. I only found this one but not so sure it fits all reatiners on my K7? https://carpyscaferacers.com/shop/shop-our-store/motorcycle-parts-accessories/honda-cb500-cb550-cb750-parts-upgrades/wheel-bearing-retainer-wrench-k-f-series-sohc/
Shop manual shows 2 types of tools.
- wheel bearings removers - this I believe I can do using tools I have for other similar bikes
- clutch lock nut wrench - seems some specific tool needed? Can you recommend good aftermarket option?

Other:
- vacuum gauge set
- stroboscope

Thanks for your tips in advance!
Ideally from Europe... Or some global brand, as shipping, tax and VAT makes any US purchase crazy...

I know... Too many questions,I apologize for that being newbie here ;)
« Last Edit: January 22, 2018, 03:24:07 PM by Erny »
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Re: 750 K7 - what tools for maintenance / repair?
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2018, 06:15:22 PM »
Well, truthfully, I don't know if you will need the clutch or wheel bearing tool right away, as the bearings and clutch are long-lived items. I would only purchase a specialty tool like those IF I actually needed them immediately.
Now that being said, a full compliment of metric wrenches, ratchet, combination, and offset are really helpful, along with a full socket set, metric again, of standard and deep well. A good set of screwdrivers is also necessary, and the One Tool I wouldn't be without, is an impact driver set for phillips and straight screws. This one tool will save countless mangled screws on any bike. There are a few tools that you can make, which will simplify your life too. The clutch hub wrench, can be made from an old clutch steel plate welded to a handle to hold the clutch hub for loosening that hub nut. An impact wrench (electric or air) can greatly simplify the removal of engine nuts or bolts, without having something to hold back on. Deal with the simple maintenance items first and that means feeler gauges, vacuum gauges to sync carbs, small wrenches, a cheap timing light, and spark plug wrench that fits into the middle cylinder area. You might have a swivel attachment for your socket set too. A TDC finder can be made from an old spark plug with the ceramic broken out and the center electrode removed, and a short cartridge case soldered into the plug base, with the primer pocket drilled out for a 1/4" long bolt. You can thread the spark plug base into the cylinder, insert the bolt, and turn engine until bolt is at its highest point, mark the bolt with a sharpie, and then you will have it for reference and don't have to use a dial indicator for a simple TDC reference. Well, I have probably rambled enough, so there are many more things that can be purchased, or made, good luck on acquiring the necessary things for your bike!
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Re: 750 K7 - what tools for maintenance / repair?
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2018, 02:29:25 AM »
What Charlie writes in his first sentence is right, a lot of those "special" tools youll possibly never need.
Buy them when you need them.
And NEVER use Phillips screwdrivers on Japanese screws, buy good Japanese Industrial Standard (JIS) screwdrivers for use on your bike!
For the rest, buy a good quality set wrenches and screwdrivers, possibly a torque wrench and you're set for most maintenance.

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Re: 750 K7 - what tools for maintenance / repair?
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2018, 02:41:15 AM »
don't worry bout vacuum set,get a strobe light though,and look for a cheap automotive multimeter,one that does dwell,rpm etc,you might be able to find someone around you who has a vacuum set?im guessing you have a set of metric tools?sockets/spanners?if not get a mid priced 3/8 drive set.

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Re: 750 K7 - what tools for maintenance / repair?
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2018, 03:12:36 AM »
Hi Dave,

Sure I have pretty rich set of tools already in my garage, like spanners, wrenchces, torque wrenchces, screwdrivers....

I'm looking for tools specific to this bike plus strobe and vacuum gauge for carb sync. This bike is my first 4-cylinder with carb and with points on top.

I have rich experience with 1 or 2 cyl Jawa bikes which are still quite common here in Slovakia. These has 2-stroke engines, but always just 1 carb there.

Maybe something I do not understand well, if I have strobe, I do not need a dedicated dwell multimeter, no? So either strobe or dwell, right?

Can somebody give a tip for good wheel bearing retainer removal tool?
Or just confirm that one I give link to carpy's web can cover call retainers? And why I mention wheel bearings - mine are original, 40 years old. I do not think grease inside is still good enough, so sooner or later I'll need to replace them.
« Last Edit: January 23, 2018, 03:17:20 AM by Erny »
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Re: 750 K7 - what tools for maintenance / repair?
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2018, 03:29:20 AM »
ok get a vacuum set Erny,youll need both strobe and multimeter,youll use the multimeter for many other uses,wheel retainer tool if you cant make one youll need to buy one,you can feel the wobble in the wheels by hand and shake them but as you say its a 40 year old lubrication most likely the same as hard old soap by now?id be swapping out for new bearings,the bearings are cheap its getting them out if you haven't done it before,install is easy.

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Re: 750 K7 - what tools for maintenance / repair?
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2018, 07:15:58 AM »
+1 get a vac set to sync your carbs.  Although I use the Honda factory tool, many guys use the Morgan...

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Re: 750 K7 - what tools for maintenance / repair?
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2018, 07:59:29 AM »
+1 get a vac set to sync your carbs.  Although I use the Honda factory tool, many guys use the Morgan...

http://www.carbtune.com/
Ah, I remember the good 'ol days... when these used mercury in the tube, and they worked so well... now, we have EPA Hazmat and all that stuff, but the old ones with mercury work the best!
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Re: 750 K7 - what tools for maintenance / repair?
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2018, 10:26:57 AM »
Bench sync worked fine for my carbs end of 70's and the entire 80's.
Bought a Morgan carb tune 2 years ago.  Not the most important tool. Complete 1/4 and 3/8 (1/2" cheaper and more common)socket wrench set, mm sockets.
23mm for ign side nut, 26mm for rear wheel and oil tank that need a short variant of  27mm  for oil lines.
I have a complete set of wrenches from 5mm to 27, most of them Bacho, Gedore and Hazet that make slim tools in a good steel.

Taking the engine apart and together again. Torque wrenches. A small one for the M5, M6, M8 bolts like a Hazet 2.5-25Nm 1/4" + bigger one for head, case and clutch nuts 10-60Nm 3/8 to use 3/8 sockets (or 1/2" if you have that socket set).
Clutch need clutch center nut tool, wheels need a similar tool
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-CB750-K-Series-SOHC-1970s-Specialist-Workshop-Tool-Set-x-7-Tools-HWT081-/251771663946?hash=item3a9ec2b64a

Cheap auto multimeter with dwell work fine for ign dwell, measure voiltage, check circuits with buzzer or ohmmeter.

Big heavy nylon hammer is much needed too.
A garage need a std set of tool independent of which kind of mechanics you work with. The problem here is mm for Honda bolts and nuts. Allen head tools needed too.

If having no tools, all tools will cost like a bike.
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Re: 750 K7 - what tools for maintenance / repair?
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2018, 01:33:12 PM »
PeWe - many thanks for that list, now I have good idea what I'm missing :)

I have many multimeter but none does dwell, tacho..

did search - is this dwell meter good enough?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/AT2150B-Digital-Tachometer-Tach-Dwell-Tester-Multimeter-Automotive-Speed-Duty-LS/302425256936?hash=item4669f333e8:g:58YAAOSwqrtWpcw2

Specifications:
ACA: 200mA/20A ±(1.2%+3)   
DCA: 200mA/20A ±(1.2%+3)
ACV: 2V/20V/200V/700V ±(0.8%+3)
DCV: 2V/20V/200V/1000V ±(0.5%+3)
Resistance: 200Ω/2KΩ/20KΩ/200KΩ/2MΩ/20MΩ/200MΩ ±(0.8%+3)
Capacitance: 20nF/2uF/200uF ±(5.0%+3)
Temperature: -40℃-1000℃ ±(1.5%+15)
Dwell: 1/3/4/5/6/8 CYL ±(1.2%+2)
Tach: 1/3/4/5/6/8 CYL ±(1.2%+2)
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Re: 750 K7 - what tools for maintenance / repair?
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2018, 02:53:13 PM »
Your example one should work fine. I have one of these Actron ones I picked up at a flea market, cheap. $5.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/ACTRON-DWELL-TACHOMETER-METER-MODEL-612-DUAL-FUNCTION-4-6-OR-8-CYLINDER-USE/232638539092?epid=1823726342&hash=item362a566554:g:u9kAAOSw9V1aV7Zh

I wvill use it as it is a 4cyl. one already, and I like analog meters lol.
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Re: 750 K7 - what tools for maintenance / repair?
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2018, 05:40:37 PM »
allen head keys are a definite, if you can find them get T bar ones , you'll get a better grip on them , same goes for screwdrivers though i'm not sure you can get JIS in Tbar. a mate of mine that had his own bike shop seore by Tbar screwdrivers, reckoned he'd never stripped the top out of a cheesehead screw with them as opposed to normal screwdrivers
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