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Best coil pack for 77 cb750f
« on: March 28, 2018, 08:12:00 PM »
Looking for suggestions on coil packs. My bike has stock could from 77 and I'm still having troubles getting the bike to run properly. Pipe 1 & 2 are getting hotter a lot faster than 3 and 4 so it's like they're not firing as fast as 1 & 2. So it's time for updating. What's your preference on coil packs?
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Re: Best coil pack for 77 cb750f
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2018, 09:14:52 PM »
Why do you think that stock coils that work properly are not best for your bike?

Don't confuse change with "upgrading".  Although any aftermarket sales pitch will lead with that premise, of course.

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Re: Best coil pack for 77 cb750f
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2018, 09:37:09 PM »
CB750 K6-76  970cc (Earlier 1005cc JMR Billet block on the shelf waiting for a comeback)
CB750 K2-75 Parts assembled to a stock K2

Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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Re: Best coil pack for 77 cb750f
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2018, 09:48:27 PM »
doesn't one coil run 1-4 and the other 2-3?  if you're having an issue with 3-4 being cooler than 1-2 wouldn't that point to something else? 
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Re: Best coil pack for 77 cb750f
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2018, 10:05:15 PM »
 I'd guess carbs. Evenrude7 said it right. Specifically slow jets.
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Re: Best coil pack for 77 cb750f
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2018, 12:47:00 PM »
That could be the problem. My coils were initially hooked up to 1-2 & 3-4. Also, the carbs are having issues too. They're not tuned or synced. But I took a day to mess with tuning as best as I could. No luck. So I figured it would be the coils. Also, I meant stock coils probably wouldn't be the best because they're 40 years old.
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Re: Best coil pack for 77 cb750f
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2018, 03:03:33 PM »
start with straightening out your wires. 
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Re: Best coil pack for 77 cb750f
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2018, 03:42:19 PM »
Will do. Still, they're old coils. Would like to know if there's anything better out there?
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Re: Best coil pack for 77 cb750f
« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2018, 04:12:03 PM »
mine are original and work fine. 
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Re: Best coil pack for 77 cb750f
« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2018, 08:46:20 PM »
Will do. Still, they're old coils. Would like to know if there's anything better out there?

These coils are rated in "hours of operation" more than in years of age. They are good for about 125 hours of 6000 RPM range operation, after which they MIGHT start to break down. Usually, the spark wires get bent around too much by users, which can break the wire(s) inside the jackets, right at the coil body. If this has happened, it will feel noticeably more flexible right at the joint: then they must be replaced.

Look to either stock Honda coils (still available) or the Sakura replacements, like the ones found at PartsNmore.com (#17-6823) for the least trouble with replacement.
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Re: Best coil pack for 77 cb750f
« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2018, 09:47:12 PM »
Also, I meant stock coils probably wouldn't be the best because they're 40 years old.

Copper wire "coils" inside them.  Shielded from the air, will stay copper for centuries.  Won't oxidize or change properties.  The insulation inside them is also shielded from the elements.  Keep the blow torch off them and the internal insulation will remain functional. 
The core is steel.  Also shielded from the air. will not rust or change properties for centuries. Coils are very simple machines, akin to rocks in stamina.

Not everything old is bad.  Some things old are better than many things new.  Be careful believing marketing hype that everything old must be replaced with new.  New is not always better, except for relieving your wallet of unnecessary bloat, and moving it to marketeers and salesmen coffers.

Now, coils can go bad.  But, they can also be tested in isolation for proper function.  If the test fails, replace them.  Replacing a working part with another working part, is wasteful, and unnecessary in my opinion.

The stock coils are often better than aftermarket offerings, depending on the design parameters that interest you the most.  Aftermarket offerings are there to make someone money, not necessarily for your benefit, and with materials that make them the most money.  Stock coils were made with known quality materials.  Can you say the same for aftermarket?  Or only make assumptions?

But, if you've got money burning a hole in your pocket, best get it out of there so someone else can make use of it.

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Re: Best coil pack for 77 cb750f
« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2018, 10:54:41 PM »
If your coils are bad, Dyna 5 ohm coils can be a good replacement. Fits in Honda coil clamps
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-PAIR-DYNATEK-DC8-1-MOTORCYCLE-DYNA-COILS-5-OHM-12V-DUAL-OUTPUT-ANGLED-BLACK/382176189679?epid=171185940&hash=item58fb79dcef:g:xQEAAOSwBMVZd09c

Make sure to clamp the wires close to the coils outputs. I have noticed they can creep out from the auto posts and causing intermittent problems. Also use NGK 5 kohm caps with copper spark wires. Avoid suppressed graphite wire.

Again, adjust you ignition as I wrote earlier before adjusting replacing anything else.
« Last Edit: March 29, 2018, 10:56:19 PM by PeWe »
CB750 K6-76  970cc (Earlier 1005cc JMR Billet block on the shelf waiting for a comeback)
CB750 K2-75 Parts assembled to a stock K2

Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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Re: Best coil pack for 77 cb750f
« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2018, 05:30:10 PM »
Pretty lost on what you mean by adjusting ignition
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Re: Best coil pack for 77 cb750f
« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2018, 10:48:50 PM »
you must adjust the points gaps and set the ignition timing periodically

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Re: Best coil pack for 77 cb750f
« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2018, 12:03:06 AM »
Just read the links I attached...Everything is explained. It will be clear when doing it a few times.
I have referred to this thread Mike started several times.
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=147444.0
I started to use dwell meter then and got a hallelujah moment. So much easier than using feeler gauges and much better result. I should have done this earlier, 36 years earlier. Dwell meter costed probably much more then, today a built-in function of the cheap auto multi meters for $60 USD

I had never had a chance to figure out how often the ignition with point gaps need to be adjusted since I have worked with the engine almost every winter prior to the bike season. I already have a reason to readjust later on, cam change.

Tighten up the plate attachment so plate cannot not move sideways when adjusting ignition will be one positive factor. Adjust point with dwell meter another to make the bike to work nice.

My bike idles very well when I started it a month ago. I had a problem last summer when adjusting ignition when idle changed to horrible when tighten the 3 bolts. After several attempts I found an acceptable setting. It was clear that the plate wobbled around when idling and 3 bolts loosened. I have used the hammer on the cases, 3 seats for plate to tighten it up, no more sideways. This explain the fiddling with ignition prior to getting an acceptable result. Earlier bad idle I blamed the hot cam.
« Last Edit: March 31, 2018, 12:05:59 AM by PeWe »
CB750 K6-76  970cc (Earlier 1005cc JMR Billet block on the shelf waiting for a comeback)
CB750 K2-75 Parts assembled to a stock K2

Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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Re: Best coil pack for 77 cb750f
« Reply #15 on: March 31, 2018, 02:13:45 AM »
You are trying to tune the bike and don't know how to adjust the ignition? I would read as much as possible.

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Re: Best coil pack for 77 cb750f
« Reply #16 on: March 31, 2018, 03:47:33 AM »
Here is a good article on how to set up the points on the CB750...
http://www.motorcycleproject.com/text/sohcign.html
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Re: Best coil pack for 77 cb750f
« Reply #17 on: April 07, 2018, 08:00:32 AM »
I am very new to it all. Have to start somewhere. This seems like the best place to learn.
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« Reply #18 on: April 07, 2018, 08:01:48 AM »
Charlie. Link isn't working on my end
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Re: Best coil pack for 77 cb750f
« Reply #19 on: April 07, 2018, 12:27:15 PM »
Heard more good reports of the c5 optical ignitions making magic happen inside old motors!

Edit: those systems come with proprietary coils

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Re: Best coil pack for 77 cb750f
« Reply #20 on: April 08, 2018, 11:36:27 AM »
Did some research, ignition should be easy as pie. Going to check out the continuity of the coils and going to see if I can't make this thing run like a raped ape.
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