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Offline mr.brandon

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Best ignition coils to run?
« on: October 31, 2022, 02:34:31 PM »
Hey all, just recently burnt a KP02 ignition coil I believe,  originally intended for use one Kawasaki's but, I've ran them for a while. Now and again I've burnt one or 2 and am just wondering if anyone else has used them and if so, what'd ya think? Or does anyone really like or have good luck with another brand? If so, please let me know what they are or product number. My bike is a 1974 cb750k model.pretty standard as far as the type of street engine. Thanks!

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Re: Best ignition coils to run?
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2022, 04:32:38 PM »
Not sure about this particular KP02 coil, but Kawasaki uses a lot of electronic ignitions, some CDI and some ... well, who knows? Not me.
The have the coils and an "igniter unit" that connects to the coils, on a few Kawi wiring diagrams I looked at for bikes that may have those coils.
So... the coils may be a low impedance, not the 5 Ohm ones expected for your bike. If you measure DC resistance on the primary side, it should be around 4 Ohms for a 5 Ohm coil (the rating is for AC impedance).
I recommend using the stock coils or 5 Ohm aftermarket ones. I've had good experiences with Dyna coils and plug wires (but not with their basic S ignition system).

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Re: Best ignition coils to run?
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2022, 06:34:52 PM »
You can also get some good drop-in coils (Sakura brand) from PartsNmore, #17-6823, for about $40 each. I've used quite a few of them and they work fine, last a LONG time. Look in the "CB750K"/"Electrical" section to find them. They are 4.3 ohms primary resistance, a direct replacement for the CB750K4 and later bikes. They also run fine in the earlier ones, and the smaller Fours.
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Re: Best ignition coils to run?
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2022, 09:29:22 PM »
Surely do appreciate the help. Haven't had the funds to upgrade to a decent electronic, non-points ignition yet but would like too if anyone out there in sohc land has one or an extra for sale. But for now, I think that I will roll with the hondaman's suggestion and get 2 new coils and carry an Xtra in case there is a blow-out on the road. Thanks again!

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Re: Best ignition coils to run?
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2022, 09:39:31 PM »
You must be real unlucky, in 40+ years working on these i never seen a Honda(NOTE HONDA) coil go electricaly duff, physicaly damaged yes
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Re: Best ignition coils to run?
« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2022, 10:29:44 PM »
the Kawasaki ones your using may be the incorrect type hence why they burn out?

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Re: Best ignition coils to run?
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2022, 12:17:34 AM »
the Kawasaki ones your using may be the incorrect type hence why they burn out?
Yeah, they must have been the too low resistance type.
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Re: Best ignition coils to run?
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2022, 12:23:56 AM »
I don't like the Dyna coils. In the 90s I had fallen victim to Dyna's bragging about 36kV or so. They look robust, but, being a generic product, the weakness is in the - not tailormade - connections. Moreover, for a CB500/550 I find them too bulky (see pic). That high voltage is not needed as these coils will spark at the same voltage (~ 7-9 kV) as the stock coils do and as long as you're not dragracing a highly tuned bike, you can ignore Dyna's bla. Let's have a closer look at the connections. Wires are not included so you have extra costs buying the Dynatek DW-200 wiring set. You yourself have to crimp the connectors that go into the towers and it depends on how good you're at it, to do it succesfull. On these bikes, there's not much room for an alternative routing and this results in quite a hassle. Little rubber caps come with the Dynatek wireset, so everything is nicely shielded against moisture. However... these caps become rock hard after some time and will be extremely hard to remove and put on again. At first I was enthusiastic about the silicone plugcaps. Not anymore. Nothing wrong with silicone - on the contrary - but these caps lack a resistor, so R plugs are required to be streetlegal. I'll come to them later. Furthermore Dyna has chosen connectors that require a ferrule on top of the plug. Why? I don't know. NGK caps connect way more solid. More than once, forsaid ferrules have come loose. The silicone Dynatek HT wires are very supple and although I like that in general, here they can move about quite a bit in the riding wind; not favourable for robust connecting.
In Europe professionals that work on our CB Fours on a daily base, advise not to use R plugs and although I first ignored this as nonsense, I have come to the conclusion that R plugs and our bikes is not a good match. I have too many R plugs lying around now that gave up prematurely. BTW, I have noticed that Denso R plugs, increase their resistance over time and NGK R plugs seem to decrease. Why this is? I don't know. Maybe it's just my experience.
Just the other day I have replaced the Dynatek plugcaps by new NGK resistor caps and also replaced the dreaded R plugs by conventional NGKs. I noticed how well the NGK caps connected to the plugs and after I had started the engine, a miracle seemed to have happened! I realised I should have done this long before. I had been stubborn not to accept the knowledge of professional mecs, not without any further substantiation to their findings.
To do my further testing correctly, I will - for the time being - run the Dyna coils, but as soon as another issue occurs, I'll abandon them and the old OEM coils will be on again. After all these years they still give the right spark and they are a direct fit. They would be perfect, if only you could screw on new HT wires, the same way you screw on caps to the wires. I have seen aftermarket coils that have this, but not recently. On the other hand, repro's are relatively cheap to replace.
Note however that also the Sakura coils have the wrong connector towards the points: a male where it should be a female. It seems all aftermarket coils have this. It means extra work fitting them. I hate extra work. Why PartsNmore does not suggest these for the CB500/550, I don't know. Maybe it has to do with the different windings ratio the OEM coils have (CB750: 380-15.000 and CB350/500/550: 420:13.000).
Here a tip. When you pull the plugcaps, make sure your hand cannot travel too far in a brisk movement, compromising the connection!
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Re: Best ignition coils to run?
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2022, 07:08:20 AM »
I may have some Honda coils if you want to go that route
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Re: Best ignition coils to run?
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2022, 06:42:27 PM »
I like the Dyna/Magna style coils but have been buying the clones that sell for about $40.00 a pair.  There is a set for sale on eBay right now for $35.00.  These are about 4.3 ohms and I use them on CB750 projects and GL1000 projects.  I use the original coil mounts, but you need to mount them a bit different in order to make them work perfectly on the bike in the original location.   You can use high quality 7mm solid core copper wires from NAPA and they also sell the rubber seals, connectors, etc.  A set of wires with the connectors and rubber will cost less than $15.00.  You can use the NGK caps and non resistor plugs.  If the wires get hard you can buy a new set.  I have never had a Dyna style coil go bad.  They are an excellent design and in my opinion help the performance as compared to the originals.  You can also gap the plugs slightly wider with these coils.
 


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Re: Best ignition coils to run?
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2022, 10:39:09 PM »
Hey all, just recently burnt a KP02 ignition coil I believe,
What makes you think you "burnt" the coil?
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Re: Best ignition coils to run?
« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2022, 06:40:45 PM »
In theory I like this design best. However I don't know if they're any good. The advertisement doesn't mention the primary resistance. Any of you has experience with them? https://www.ebay.com/itm/185610670068?fits=Make%3AHonda&hash=item2b37420ff4:g:j70AAOSw6uFjQY3H&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAA8C6rMaLnfl62m%2FI9Zag%2FPrx9qIxK60%2F2tBPtCu9bha5iF5Aj1cqScrUlkkwk2hDyFD24m3TPoC6oVh5sN2YsrUURicOv%2B59yMZ4Hqu9wi9scmf9xr51LPe3B31fkEjO7%2FuNcqbFpmywGafEsRVQCbY7PBhy4A8p4mYQWD6uQ3PjWCKR1CoNtFZvUzKKDVXUPRSqP%2Fq9tlDnrJQctgOtGhpXYz7ptt0SoURjtu2gVwvRX6g1JMth5Kpl2j1BWHPimodYJHdJ1XdNdwgyZE8PHad%2FFL8Qo3ZpLAo5ShFNe48XZwfzNUK5gpCfAJHuN5eduSw%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR5rx_viGYQ

Wow! They are basically claiming it will fit all the dual-output coils Honda ever used! That's pretty amazing, considering that the layout of the spark leads will not fit under the CB350F tank (and probably not the 400F, either).
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Re: Best ignition coils to run?
« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2022, 01:10:38 AM »
little square dual outputs,these come with the boyer unit,triumph also use these coils,they come in a few different resistances,made by "gill"
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Re: Best ignition coils to run?
« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2022, 10:42:46 AM »
I bought Dyna grey HT (graphite core)  leads with Dyna-S and Dyna 5 ohms coils.
One lead had intermittent failures.

Bought a few meter copper leads and NGK 5k caps and good after that. No problem to crimp.
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Re: Best ignition coils to run?
« Reply #16 on: November 04, 2022, 12:58:01 PM »
I bought Dyna grey HT (graphite core)  leads with Dyna-S and Dyna 5 ohms coils.
One lead had intermittent failures.
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It's a known problem. Graphite core leads on our bikes is a no no.
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