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Offline martini

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Yet another sputtering bike
« on: July 16, 2018, 03:13:37 PM »
Okay, here's my story. The bike is a 1970 750. It was running poorly, sputtering, losing power, and occasionally stalling. I'm no mechanic so I took it to the local shop. They diagnosed carb issues. They recommended a complete rebuild. They did that and also replaced the carb boots which apparently had some cracks. Got the bike back and it was ran great. Fired up right away and ran awesome. Took it for a long ride on the weekend. For the first hour and a half it ran great and then it started to do the same thing it was doing previously. Lots of fuel in the tank, opened the tank cap in case that was an issue but didn't help. From what I've read on the forum here I'm wondering if it might be the coils?  Thoughts?? Why would it run great for an hour and a half and then start to sputter?


Thanks in advance for any advice.

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Re: Yet another sputtering bike
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2018, 03:21:49 PM »
Just a guess what does the inside of the tank look like? maybe its got dirt or rust in there ?
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Re: Yet another sputtering bike
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2018, 03:27:24 PM »
Hey Pete,

Thanks for the reply. Tank is clean as is the petcock filter.

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Re: Yet another sputtering bike
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2018, 03:45:20 PM »
After it cooled down (several hours) did it run good again?
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Re: Yet another sputtering bike
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2018, 04:13:08 PM »
Hey 2wheels,

Yes, it seemed to. Haven’t had a chance to take it for a long run to see if the problem repeats. I’m assuming it will.

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Re: Yet another sputtering bike
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2018, 04:30:12 PM »
I would make sure the valve clearance (tapits) are set correct.
Also make sure the points are in good shape and that the points gap is correct.  And ignition timing too.

Your are right in thinking the coils can fail when hot.  But do adjusting first, replacing items second.
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Re: Yet another sputtering bike
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2018, 08:15:55 PM »
Thanks 2wheels. I have a Dyna ignition so no points. I’ll check the tapirs as well.

Shane

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Re: Yet another sputtering bike
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2018, 08:56:37 PM »
Look at the easy stuff first. Though valve clearances and timing are very important, they aren't likely to cause the behavior you are describing.

The most common problem on the early carbs is fuel starvation (in my experience). Turn off the fuel at the petcock and confirm there there is fuel in each carb bowl. If not, then you need to redo the carbs. Consider adding small inline fuel filters if you don't already have them. Check your float heights and clean out any clogged jets.

If there is adequate fuel in each carb bowl, then it is time to check your spark plugs. Pull each one out (one at a time of course), keep it connected to the coil cable, ground it by touching the end of the spark plug on the engine fins, turn the kill switch to "on" and press the starter button. You should see strong spark in all four sparks. Again, do this one at a time. If one of these fails, you can trace it back to make sure the coil is working and if the points are working.

If those two tests come out ok, then the most likely problem is a short somewhere. Take the tank off, set up an auxiliary tank, set up a fan to cool the engine and run the bike on the center stand. Start playing with all of the cables to see if you can get the bike to run poorly. I've found bad grounds, lose cables and eroded connectors like this.

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Re: Yet another sputtering bike
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2018, 07:42:11 AM »
My 550, which had a Martek 440 on it, had problems with the 2-3 cylinders cutting out when it got hot. The problem was an overheating ignition like Cal mentioned.

You can test the theory by taking the bike for a long ride with the points cover off. Mine started acting up in the middle of a long trip while I was in the desert 1500 miles from home. After some diagnostic help from the forum, removing the cover so air could get directly to the ignition solved the problem until I was able to swap in some points another member lent me.
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Re: Yet another sputtering bike
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2018, 07:45:19 AM »
Hey calj737,

Thanks for the post. The unit is about 10 years old. I'll try the test you've suggested. Sounds like a relatively easy fix if its the issue.