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CB 750 k2 charging issues Fried combined R/R
« on: August 02, 2019, 12:25:55 PM »
Hi

I'm the owner of a cb 750 k2 that has battery charging issues. I'm suspecting the field coil. I opened the case and I've tested the resistance between the green and white wire and it reads 7.2 ohms on my multimeter. However, I've tested continuity between the white wire / ground and green wire / ground and I do have continuity. Is that means that my field coil is bad and should be changed ?

I updated this post because I mounted my stock Rectifier and regulator and it's all good. Problem is coming from my electrex combined R/R. Used to work like a charm and now suddenly dead. Is there a way to fix it ? What can cause a combined R/R to die ?

Thanks for your help
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Re: CB 750 k2 charging issues suspecting field coil
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2019, 01:56:12 PM »
There should be NO contiuity to ground and the resistance for the coil is in the book HOWEVER you need a very high quality meter to measure accurately and if you have a bad coil, as against bad connections, you get a prize as the first ever.
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Re: CB 750 k2 charging issues suspecting field coil
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2019, 02:06:06 PM »
Resistance is ok as per the book that says 7.2 ohms. That's what I got. However, red probe connected to green or white and black probe on the frame gets me continuity, which I believe means  that coil is bad. Is that right?

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Re: CB 750 k2 charging issues suspecting field coil
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2019, 05:13:43 PM »
If you measure good resistance on the coil - across its two wires, disconnected from the harness - the coil is good. Maybe there's some way it could have in-spec resistance and still be no good... I can't imagine one.
Green to ground should of course give continuity, green is the ground wire.
The white wire should go directly from regulator to the field coil - through the engine plug and the bullet connections of course - and it should not have any connection to ground if the wire is disconnected at both ends.
The regulator is getting zero volts and thus is in a "full power" state when key power is off: it can't actually provide power to the field coil but it will connect the white wire directly to black.
Key off, all the electrical devices normally powered from black will have some resistance to ground relative to how much power they use when powered. So it's normal to have continuity to ground from black when power is off, and the white wire will be connected to black by the regulator.So with the white wire connected to the coil, you will see a low resistance to ground. Measuring the resistance of an always on headlight plus one or two ignition coils... looks like a dead short on a typical meter.

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Re: CB 750 k2 charging issues suspecting field coil
« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2019, 01:38:59 AM »
Of i measure continuity across the green wire coming from the field coil I should not get continuity with ground. Same goes for the white wire. Can you confirm ?

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Re: CB 750 k2 charging issues suspecting field coil
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2019, 04:20:25 AM »
I put back my old regulator and rectifier and battery is charging. It appears that my combined R/R is faulty. Is there a way to fix or do I need to buy a brand new one..100$..

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Re: CB 750 k2 charging issues suspecting field coil
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2019, 06:06:21 AM »
Electronic units are throw away type and DO NOT like incorrect installation
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Re: CB 750 k2 charging issues suspecting field coil
« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2019, 06:14:49 AM »
Electronic units are throw away type and DO NOT like incorrect installation

Was running perfectly fine for the past 2 and half years..dont believe that it was incorrectly installed. I just dont understand what it suddenly fried !

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Re: CB 750 k2 charging issues Fried combined R/R
« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2019, 12:57:50 PM »
If stock charging system is working, why change it?
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Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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Re: CB 750 k2 charging issues Fried combined R/R
« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2019, 01:16:57 PM »
Cos thats what electronics do
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Re: CB 750 k2 charging issues Fried combined R/R
« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2019, 02:11:29 AM »
If stock charging system is working, why change it?

I've put a lithium battery, which is quite expensive. To avoid any issues with it, I decided to upgrade the reg / rec buy buying a combined unit. It's a very common upgrade I believe.

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Re: CB 750 k2 charging issues Fried combined R/R
« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2019, 05:50:18 AM »
Very common problem with "modern" charging system replacement. I do not trust charging system that is running full speed, adjusting voltage by shorting to ground. Max wear on coils and a unit running really hot.
Stock can work fine with clean connectors and serviced regulator. It take to reach 14 V after a short city riding. It needs 5000 rpm cruise to really charge the battery. Add a volt meter and you'll see.
CB750 K6-76  970cc (Earlier 1005cc JMR Billet block on the shelf waiting for a comeback)
CB750 K2-75 Parts assembled to a stock K2

Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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Re: CB 750 k2 charging issues Fried combined R/R
« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2019, 06:07:47 AM »
Very common problem with "modern" charging system replacement. I do not trust charging system that is running full speed, adjusting voltage by shorting to ground. Max wear on coils and a unit running really hot.
Stock can work fine with clean connectors and serviced regulator. It take to reach 14 V after a short city riding. It needs 5000 rpm cruise to really charge the battery. Add a volt meter and you'll see.

Stock rectifier can be very hot too..

Im still upset that I've thrown away 100$ In this combined unit