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Phone charger draw sufficient to melt plastic on fuse?
« on: January 19, 2020, 02:00:44 PM »
There’s a long story below, but the question is, “Could the additional draw from a phone charger rated 5W 2A, be sufficient to melt the plastic around an auto fuse and the cover on a twin bullet connector?”

The story, then!

Having had my speedo and GPS pack up in quick succession, I resorted to using my iPhone to do both jobs.

Initially I used Velcro to attach phone to my tank bag or tank, but this had the disadvantage that I had to keep looking down to read it.

So I bought a handlebar mount, which had the added advantage, or so I thought, of having a USB charging port built in. The iPhone 7 has a notoriously short battery life when using Google maps.

On a few short trips around town this seemed to work well , but on my first long run, I was about 30kms out when the bike died. The instantaneous cut-out made me think of a blown fuse and when I checked the plastic on one side was melted – it’s one of those auto blade fuses (15A). The fuse itself was OK, but I replaced it anyway, disconnected the charger as this was the only thing I could think might be the issue – nothing else had changed – and all seemed well.

30-40 kms later, same story. Fuse was OK this time, and having checked all connections, the bike started. Next time, it wouldn’t start after I switched off at the first police check at the Jordanian border. I waited a few minutes, tried again.

Several hours later I was out on the Israeli side, quite a bit later than planned thanks to the unscheduled stops and a slightly longer than anticipated crossing. By now it was dark and at first I was afraid to use my headlight; the road was well lit so I used only my day riding light. On one occasion earlier, switching on the headlight resulted in immediate death of the engine. However the street lighting soon ended and I had no choice.

Thankfully the engine didn’t die this time and I was able to continue. Until, at some traffic lights 40kms later and 36km from my destination the engine died again. Checks under the left-hand cover revealed nothing amiss, but I had no spark and no headlight. I did have indicators and rear light though, and the starter turned over.

I have fitted a relay to save the key switch and this feeds the headlight and coils, so my first thought was that the heat had damaged to relay. I tried a new one with no luck. I checked other connections, including in the headlight shell and found nothing amiss.

Bear in mind it is now 8pm, it’s raining and cold and I’m at the side of the road and, having entered the country only hours earlier, I had no cell phone comms. I was just contemplating spending the night camped in the bus shelter I was at, when I thought to bypass the relay. So I connected the feed from the battery directly to the wires feeding coils and headlight. Happiness and joy, everything came back to life.

This was clearly a get-me-home fix, so next morning, under a half-erected garden gazebo as it was still raining, I set about trying to get a more satisfactory solution. Relay was checked again and was OK. Then I noticed some burning of the plastic around the two way connector supplying the relay from the battery (Term 30). I found nothing else wrong. Everything back together and zoom!

So, the question again, “Could the additional draw from a phone charger rated 5W 2A, be sufficient to melt the plastic around an auto fuse and the cover on a twin bullet connector?” And if so, old this have caused the problems described?

My only thought is the connections were loose and the extra current caused overheating and more intermittent connections??

Any thoughts, if anyone has waded thought the saga, welcome. I have a couple of hundred kms to go and then I’m on a ship for 4-5 days, so will hopefully have time to check/fix anything you might think of.
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Re: Phone charger draw sufficient to melt plastic on fuse?
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2020, 02:16:47 PM »
The melting that you are describing sounds like it could come from a poorly-crimped connector, as one thought. I have often found corroded (dark, even rusty) wires in these bikes when replacing the old bullet connectors. Unless the new ones are crimped on using a full-compression type of crimper (and the wires cleaned well), they are definitely not airtight, which always then invites corrosion over time. It doesn't take much,either, to heat up a connector then.
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Re: Phone charger draw sufficient to melt plastic on fuse?
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2020, 11:12:51 AM »
I have a couple of hundred kms to go and then I’m on a ship for 4-5 days, so will hopefully have time to check/fix anything you might think of.

Will you be allowed access to your bike during the voyage?

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Re: Phone charger draw sufficient to melt plastic on fuse?
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2020, 08:19:43 PM »
If your phone charger is actually 5W, then the 'draw' on your battery is less than 1/2 amp ! That will not burn any connectors by itself. Have you got stock 5ohm ignition coils and points ignition ?
It's also very good to know that on such an epic ride on an old CB750 that all your issues have been electrical and zero carb or mechanical issues ( so far ! ) . How many miles from start to Israel ?
« Last Edit: January 20, 2020, 08:27:57 PM by Spanner 1 »
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Re: Phone charger draw sufficient to melt plastic on fuse?
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2020, 09:52:09 AM »
Thanks.

I did 150km yesterday with no problem, apart from the rain and cold, without the charger, so at least I know I can make progress.

I don’t know about the poor crimp though because one side of the fuse plastic was melted, and it took quite a pull to get it out.

Don’t know about access on the sea voyage; I somehow doubt it. Don’t imagine they’d like a civilian wandering about on the cargo deck.

I thought I’d be safe with the charger too. Yes 5ohm dynatek coils and points combined with Hondaman’s ignition. Maybe I’ll try it again when closer to home.

Other issues. I have had to play with the carbs as I moved from -400m up to 3000+ m. But since I got the wasp or whatever out of the carb back in Bulawayo, I haven’t and any problems really. Nothing engine related that wasn’t routine maintenance and only now have I got a cycle issue - oh apart from an early problem with the brake caliper holder joint; the holes for the pin had ovalled resulting in noise.

But this noise is from something rotating, coming from under the headlight bucket. Until today I could reproduce nothing like it. SH bearings were ok, wheel bearings tight, brake parts all secure. And when I rotated from the wheel, nothing. Until today that is.

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If anyone has any ideas, I’ll happily hear them. In spite of the solidity of the wheel bearings, I think they may be the cause.
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Re: Phone charger draw sufficient to melt plastic on fuse?
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2020, 09:56:28 AM »
Oh, I forgot; so far about 12,400 miles or nearly 20,000 kms.
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Re: Phone charger draw sufficient to melt plastic on fuse?
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2020, 05:00:32 PM »
If only one side of the fuse holder melted it has to be a bad joint heating up
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